according the latest news, there has been strict security around graveyards in islamabad in H - 11 and heavy machinery is being used to dig large graves inorder to hide those dead bodies quickly. Other wise, whats the use of putting security on lal masjid and graveyard after operation

I cannot do any thing… but this all is becuase of
Basturd, DOG, and KHENZEER Musharaf.

How low can a human get, just to save his chair.

Shame on musharaf and his forces.

If india forces kill kashimir people in kashimir we say its state terrisim, if pak forces kill paks people in pakistan, its “War Against Terrisim”

Allah forgive us all on our sins.
it is shame for a nation that the army killed unarmed true muslim civilians.

we can expect anyting from this “Naa” Pak Army. As they had killed more than a million Bangali Muslims in 1971.

Allah forgive our sins and protect muslims that want to oby the rules of islam and Quran.
Its really shame for the army of Pakistan that they kill there own unarmed peoples that only want that pakistan became islamia jamuria pakistan in reality.
I requeat jenral plz go from pakistan and donot kill over inocent people for America.

Un-armed innocent ppl were killed in LAL MASJID.

Miraculously Un-armed innocent ppl killed 10 of the best of the best of Pakistan Army.

In which fools paradise you ppl live in, i am failing to understand.

A general is to risk his life to save the nation .. not to risk the entire nation to save his life.
May Allah shows right path to our leaders

Soo Sonnar key. Aik lohaar key.

Mr.Truth. This country was divided in 1971 by the people like you.And now again it will be divieded into 4 parts , and all this happen because Musharf mamon is supported by people like you.Who are against Islam and Pakistan and working for the agenda of our Pak enemies. Shame on u…..

Alas! many of our pakistani muslim brothers still support Musharraf’s brutal ideology. I think his war is not against extremism/terrorism but infact it is against Islam and innocent humans not liked by his master America.

Use of power rather than negotiations always results in disaster.

Dear Brothers!!
AoA!!
Allah has proven us all the innocence of Lal Masjid and its gr8 Mujhaideens, by putting their love and hatered for govt. and army in our hearts.

it reminds us that another ” waqa-e-karbala” has been set forth by 1st stopping water and food on them and then killing them all.
its the extreme world would ever see,
I feel shame on having such a so called leader.
If Bush planned the Drama of 9-11, it worked well till 5 years and its been discloused just now,
but lolz on govt and army , that their Drama has been discloused on the very day ,they did it

many many Dua’s for Shohada-e- Lal masjid, Remember Allah is there for the justice and soon we shall be seeing Allah juctice

Muslims all over the world and Pakistan in General only have one way of survival i.e to unite. Nationalism is an ideaology is a concept of the West to divide the Ummah. I might not have supportrd the methods of The Shaheeds of Lal Masjid, but if Actions of Musharaaf and his Mercanaries are anything close to moderation, I believe I am as much of an extremist as any who liad down their lives for believing in their just cause. Their demands wre just and needed to be adhered to but that is not what Musharaf and Co want. Look at the CAT club in Islamabad, inaugurated by who Sumaira Malik to do what DAnce Parties, wine and who knws what. We as a nation and as Ummah are at a shameful stage and unless we as individuals start speaking up we are doomed for good.

I will convey my comment ovr the american Pupet named musharaf, all over the country and specially in the areas where innocent muslims are with strong faith living are his target. there is no Muslim suicider present in Wazirestan or any where all over the country. RAW and MOSAD are doing the same over here and the PUPET of America killing the muslims in aftermaths. MAY GOD BLESS US.

i want to comment neither in favor of musharaf nor in favor of Lal Masjid. the ppl at Lal Masjid were wrong in their actions, if they want to preach ISLAM they should do it in a RESPECTABLE manner like our HOLY PROPHET (SAW) and his RESPECTED COMPANIONS did, if you want to attract ppl to ISLAM u shouldn’t be forcing them into it by the using weapons such as SPEARS, Fighting RODS and GUNS, ISLAM was spread by LOVE and FAIR DEALING with the ppl that were UN-AWARE of it. At the same time I think musharaf has been playing a coward, never showing up his face at the real time, placing the pawns at the front-end and then playing his dirty game, he surely is an AMERICAN AGENT, who is using all the resources of this country in the utmost interest of BUSH and ONLY BUSH.
i contradist with the person calling it a NAA PAK ARMY, the ppl that died performing their duty had nothing to do with all this drama they were mere pawns being used by a power superier than them, if u think their families r now going to be compensated with RICHES u r sadly mistaken, the only entity that will BEAR the FRUIT of all this BLOODSHED will be MUSHARAF and MUSHARAF alone.
if u don’t believe me study history, this was a major HUB for providing war-fighters against RUSSIANS during the AFGHAN-RUSSIA war, alledgely SUPPORTED by money and weapons from AMERICA and Gen. Zia, now that AMERICA has used AFGHAN war (again i will say a plot set by AMERICA) and PAKISTAN to break the MOTHER RUSSIA state into many small ones that will stay ECONOMICALLY SLAVES to IMF and WORLD BANK to run their economy, it now wants to crush its own pawns, therefore first it SETUP 9/11 to crush AFGHANS and IRAQI’s and now it wants to close all of its HUBS and WEAPON trading points, for that reason AMERICA directed musharaf to kill these ppl, which he happily did to stay ON THE CHAIR, but fellows don’t worry, he’ll be hanged one day just like SADDAM, saddam also once did a similar show in his country killing hundreds and thousands of his country men and then finally met his deems. same is bound to happen to musharaf. but above all of much being said in this issue, it is a time of confusion and chaos, just like predicted by our HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SAW) and all should hold fast to each other for u all have some obligation to each others first as MUSLIMS and then as HUMANS. The ONE’s who carry their duty to others and ALLAH with balance (MIYANA RAWI) will one day succeed, because ALLAH has announced reward for such ppl.
MAY ALLAH BLESS US ALL AND PROVIDE US ENOUGH STRENGTH AND FORESIGHT TO DIFFER BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG AND FOLLOW A BALANCED LIFE. AMEEN!

This acts of Presidt Musharaf is hugely condemon by all muslims.Mostly of them were Hufazul Quran & were innocent.Allah will aske all of us abt them.Musharaf does not know tha difference b/w chair & Humab being i am wonder how he is capable of leading further.I pray God to gives theire soule rest & peace.

This acts of Presidt Musharaf is hugely condemon by all muslims.Mostly of them were Hufazul Quran & were innocent.Allah will aske all of us abt them.Musharaf does not know tha difference b/w chair & Human being i am wonder how he is capable of leading further.I pray God to gives theire soule rest & peace.

I am neither in support of the president nor the lal Masjid personel. Ive been following the news regularly ever since the episode initiated. Ppl from all walks of life have numerous things to say about the unfortunate scenario that took place. My question is that are we really im a position to be commenting on the issue. As far as i know none of us ‘ordinary citizens’ actually know what really took place. All we have done is takin bait from various information resources. .particularly the media and concluded our opinion on the matter. Have v ever wondered the authencity of this info. We as a nation are very quick to lay verdicts and pt fingers within minutes. Doesnt it haunt u that so many ppl lost their lives in the gruesome episode. Ppl from BOTH sides. We lost hundreds of innocent , un-INNOCENT Lives. Who are we to blame or label those who died as SHAHEED OR DEAD. No one will ever know.
Secondly ppl are comparing this episode with that of 1971 and blaming the army for it. Well let me put some things in prospective. Firstly in 1971 BHUTTO was at the helm of affairs. At that time BHUTTO was the true leader. The armed forces had no say in the matter but to follow his direct orders. In the Lal Masjid Episode there were three parties.
1. The goverment administration (headed by Mushu)
2. The lal masjid administration(headed by maulana brothers)
3. Fighters (soldiers of army rangers police and lal masjid)

now let us see who are to blame? Dont u think the first two are surely to blame. The tricky part comes in the case of the third group. Werent they ordered from the top. So why should we be labeling and blaming a whole institution (army or maddaris) for the fault of two men. Group 1 & 2.
This is the same thing that happened in east pakistan where Bhutto was made into a hero just because benazir hired a professional propoganda firm from britan to mould the mind of pakistani ppl through the media. . .and boy did she hit the jackpot. It is time we question and analyse things around us. HAMZA TAHIR.

May allah except the shuhada’s shahadat… And may allah lead us to the right path towards the restoration of the islamic state which ruled more than half of the world for 1200 years… May allah help us learn from the mistakes that the lal masjid maulanas made and help us in bringing about the change in pakistan without making those mistakes…. AMEEN!!!

I am with Mushraf, because he is doing his best to finish Terrorist from our country….

Lanat ho Mosa ali Rizvi teray per, Allah kary teray aor sary Shia’s per aasah he Attack ho, Kajar kay Bachooo…. Lanat

Its sad to see whats happening and its really sad to see how we are responding to everything. We are very much active in talking but we dont do anything that may make a difference. Am not asking anyone to pick up guns or come out on streets but what we have achieved as a nation and in person in all these years. We all are part of it. Looking at the public bathrooms, looking at the way our decent strata of society behaves and looking at their way of life, i feel ashamed for what we are doing to ourselves and our country. We should concentrate on what we are doing for our country! I heard there is a saying that the leader is the best representative of the nations overall character and i think we all know the type of leaders we got in the past 50 years of our existence as a nation. I think our collective actions speaks louder then our words.

To stop these suiside attacks, bomb blasts and extremism in the country, Musharraf should resign bcoz all this is due to the failure of his policies. he is not at all fit for ruling the country. if u can’t protect us, u have no right to kill us.

Musharaf is not a human being. i think he belongs to a pig family. that’s why he is killing muslims.I know some people will disagree from me that he does not belong to pig family because pigs are not so ugly and bastards like him.

We are ashamed on this miserable incident of massive destruction of muslim lives.A genral is on defence of his own life by sacrificing innocent people.But how longer more…?he is entered into a close street.no return.pakistani army,perhaps is not able to fight with india now thats why they are satisfying theirselves by killing their own people.but “Dil ka jana thher giya,subho giya ke sham giya”.thatis a luck of musharraf

Assalaam alykum..

Very simply the Ghazi brothers had to bring attention to the problems of the people of Islamabad. The government saw it fit to surround them and 1500 girls, lay barbed wires around them, starve them and deny water and electricity. They pounded them with missiles and tanks, so the brothels of the Islamabad continue their business for the benefit of those whom the crime pays. The government can now go back to destroying more schools, more students while licensing domestic and foreign brothels.

Allah inshallah zaroo is duniya may is say badala lay ga .AAmeen

Qura’an say’s
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[002.114] And who are more unjust than those who forbid that Allâh’s Name be glorified and mentioned much (i.e. prayers and invocations) in Allâh’s mosques and strive for their ruin? It was not fitting that such should themselves enter them (Allâh’s mosques) except in fear. For them there is disgrace in this world, and they will have a great torment in the Hereafter.

busharef and his family will face the same inshallah ameen ameen ameen

musa ali rizvi sahib please put ur brother n sister there n then comment ……….kute ke bache lante

Dear Musa Ali Rizvi, this is ur comments because you are Shia, you will always enjoy attacks on Islam and support anti-islamic elements.

What is only happening, The americans fighting their war in our soil with our people using our people.

Congrats to our govt.they had made a tremendous effort so now Aunti Shamim, massage centres and others can now do there businesses freely and Musharaf, Sheikh Rasheed and others can get prostitutes and massages on there will. Furthermore, musharraf has done this thing at this point of time to ensure america that he is a loyal kutta so america back him to re-elect him as a president.

what ever we r going thru at the moment is nothing which got us out of the blue but rather we are paying price for being muslims and on top nuclear power.all those died were Martyrs ,i just have one concern in my heart that we will be asked by allah on the day of judgement .Now taht every thing has been done and all shaheeds must be in heaven for giving their lives to glorify Islam ,we earthly creatures are discussing taht it was a blood Masacre and un just but at that time no one responded to shaheeds calls.The only difference b/w us and those martyrs is taht they were on top level on imaan (as they stopped unjustice and sin by force) and we on the other hand are at the last stage of our imaan(we can just condemn it with in our hearts and too scred to do anything).May Allah forgive us all ,my fellow muslim bro/sis its time to save our imaan ,we might not get second chance,ask for Allah’s forgiveness collectively as a nation and on individual level.Even worse time is comming ahead .Allah forgive us all,though we dont deserve but you are our supreme lord and its your forgiveness that we seek.NO BUSHY OR MUSHY CAN DAMAGE THE IMAGE OF ISLAM,LONG LIVE ISLAM

Who is terrorist?
The person who left his home to learn Quran and Hadith, who is Hafiz-e-Quran and Aalim and offer his prayers in day and night and living hand to mouth in a masjid or madrissa
OR
the person who pass his nights in clubs with vine and engage himself in… and orders his sub-ordinates to open fire with bombs, machine guns upon the persons having wooden sticks and on masjid and madrissa as well, has thousands of people blood upon him. Never remained close to his religion ….
Who is the Terrorist?
What do you with regard to this question.

Qura’an say’s in 071 - Soorah Nooh - ((Prophet) Noah) - [Makkee]
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[071:026] And Nûh (Noah) said: “My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers on the earth!

[071:027] “If You leave them, they will mislead Your slaves, and they will beget none but wicked disbelievers.

[071:028] “My Lord! Forgive me, and my parents, and him who enters my home as a believer, and all the believing men and women. And to the Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong doers, and disbelievers) grant You no increase but destruction!”

Dear Muslim Brothers !

the incident has been passed …. but do u think our taxes are using in right way ? Army is growing on our taxes but i think this army is also using makin money from back doors i.e. america….. now our duty is to find the way that what can be the best way of usage of our taxes … not for army and its weapons. so that they could’nt use it again onto our muslim brothers n sisters.

i say the demand of Ghazi Abdul Rasheed Shaheed may be wrong (not exactly) but can anyone tell us that is the implementation of Islam is the duty of Angels? that one day one angel will flydown to earth and will annouce the implementation of Islam’s says in its true letter n spirit.

Do you think demand of closing the Sharab khanas, prostetution, message centers etc. etc. is wrong ?

except all above, do you think the act of Ghazi Shaheed was so dangerous that the authorities had no other choice except to kill the Ghazi Shaheed and inocent children of Lal Masjid?

I am extremely against this operation. The action of army like saying that do or die never say why
Why shouldn’t say why when ation will be against innocent people. I feel shame as Pakisanti after this operation. It is no sin to do good deeds and forbid sins. Everyone shoud be first true human then true muslim.
Insaano plz Insoonoo pay raham karo

it is said … ‘jis tarah ki qaum hoti hay un pe waisa hi hurkmaran bheja jata hay’
and this is so very true. the need here is that people should reform their lives individually and then worry about the greater issues. we ourselves are hypocrites… look at ourselves swearing out shia brothers here is this what our islam teaches us? NO … we are not ready to listen and tolerate anything … we need to change ourselves first instead of changing others and the system. I hope and pray to Allah that he gives us strength to straighten our lives and show us the right path. Amen

I fully agree with Mr. Em Que …. infact i had forgotten to add this into my comments ….. in these days, there is no little sin what we are not doing …. like ….. everyone know better about him/her ….. so plz plz plz try to make your own act positive according to the sayings of Islam then blame others …… and plz stop abusing shia or sunni etc. etc. our Islam does’nt teach us so ……

Who is terrorist?
The person who left his home to learn Quran and Hadith, who is Hafiz-e-Quran and Aalim and offer his prayers in day and night and living hand to mouth in a masjid or madrissa
OR
the person who pass his nights in clubs with vine and engage himself in… and orders his sub-ordinates to open fire with bombs, machine guns upon the persons having wooden sticks and on masjid and madrissa as well, has thousands of people blood upon him. Never remained close to his religion ….
Who is the Terrorist?
What do you with regard to this question.

From Both person, If a person kill someone without ANY REASON -> This is not the reason that A kill my borther so I should kill B for revenge - or Islam has given me the power to implement Shairat)

Is the terrorist?

Hazoor Pak Said “I m leaving two things among you, 1. Quran and 2. Sunna (or Ahlabait)?
Can anyone give me eny evidence from Quran and Sahay Sitta books that we a person in a STATE can implement SHERIAT forcefully (By Danda, Gun, etc).
I would suggest think liberally, When thinkging this sort of event be a nuetral person then think who is wrong.

Operation was evil act from president. He has been decided it 6 month ago. He used also both brother by third party peoples.
Musharaf end will be horrible but God knows time.
Please pakitani peoples make your as a united nation, every body can have different point of view with each other so please bear each other otherwise we cannot be a nation but definitly a crowd which we are at the moment. So please try to make a good nation by sharing good ideas, research, unity, hardwork, fatith, honesty, taking care of each others and respect other point of view. Otherwise day by day we are going to decline. Thanks

I am Pakistani, but I really feel sorry and Sad what happened in lal- Masjid, This is totally against humanity. Musharaf and Shaukat Aziz, they are coward persons, they can only sit and give orders to kill those who were fighting for the sake of Islam. Even I feel really shame on Pakistan army that how they have planned Operation. If they have guts, they should take Commando Action and caught Lal Masjid Administration alive, but they straihgt away bombarded Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa,,, where too many innocient lives are wasted.

Musharraf, you follow the instruction of USA, as how Sadam Hussain follow same intruction. By God grace, you will see what will happen at the end of your life. You fear USA better than your god the creature of the mankind. Definately, Islam will succeed on you and your psycopant.Mind you, we nigerians, we have no power to come down to pakistan and assist our muslims brothers, but ALLAH promised to answer the prayers of those who depend and blieve in him.

“Allah muslamano ki halat per rehem karay”. The enemies of Islam are testing us and trying to weaken our Iman, that’s all. We Muslims have become easy targets for the whole world now. It’s very easy for them now to arrest or kill Muslims whenever and wherever they want. We have been labeled as either extremist or terrorist nothing less. I can bet if there were few Non-Muslims present as well inside the Lal Masjid, this be-iman and be-sharam commissioned officer Pervez would never dare to order his army for such a brutal attack on the Masjid. He was able to do that only because each and every person present inside the Masjid was Muslim. No country in the world has opposed/criticized his mishandling the situation and wrong decision of attacking, destroying a holy place and killing innocent young boys and girls.
Our beloved country Islamic Republic of Pakistan has reached to a defining point whether it can be run like a true independent state or stay as is under the influence of external powers. We are forced to live under the new world order. Our social and religious values are being changed rapidly thru the world’s Social Engineering Program. Our nation is seamlessly being dragged towards secularism. Now it is up to the people and our political leaders if they want to resist or let it be a secular state.

I am with Musharaf regarding to kill KILLERs. I would suggest to Gov Kill all the extrimist from pakistan who dont konw What is ISLAM (and interpret ISLAM wrong like Gazi Brothers).
Who Brain Wash the youngs and use them for their own advantages.
Killing innocent peple in the world (specially in Paksitan).
Kidnapping the people for the sake of their own ISLAM
They are just the follower of SHAITAN.
I am very sad and amazed that people just blaming the Gov because Gov just wash out the wrong people.Or Gazi Brothers were using the name of ISLAM so we should say Right to them.
Where we are going. Have we forget to use the all senses or our mind never wanted to think the right way.

Quran:
Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.

Assalam-o-Alaikum

Dear all Muslim brothers & Sisters
I would like to requested to all muslim Ummah, please please pray for all muslims those who are living all over the world that……….

May Allah safe us (Muslims)from all Enemies of Islam, and protect us from thier dangers plan, and strategies,and keep away from all Skies,Earths devils and evils and satanic forces Ameen

May Allah grant us with guidance spiritual power to fight,defance angaist Enemies of Islam,Especially from America and otheres too. Ameen

May Allah forgive us from our all sins and keep us on always right direct with Kaamil Emaan till to death Ameen

Jab ZULAM had sy guzar jata hy to ALLAH ki madad mazlomoo ke shamil haal ho jati hy NAHAQ khooon ke aik aik qatre ka hisab hoga Hukmran - e - waqat sy Inshallah.

Agreed that Musharraf should not have gone up to this level. But it seems that Al-Qaeda is hitting us all over the country thanks to Mr. Abdul Aziz and Mr. Ghazi as Al Qaeda has used them as “Muhras”to play their dirty game.

By the way when Army was doing Karachi Operation in 1992, all the parties were silent. Now when it is done in Islamabad, everyone seems to be jumping.

That itself speaks about the flaws of our politicians

I can not even believe that out force can act with “Nimazi and peacefull” people in such a way. They used WP and our General says he is eleminating terrorism in our country.
can he tell us why he is so worried about Pakistan?why doesnt he give chance to others to run the country peacefully, I think it is enough now he must leave or suicide or he knows God gives a long why but pull it at any time.

Shame on you Pak Army and Predsident, you killed so many innocent people in so called Lal Masjid operation, these innocent people came there to seek the knowledge about the religion of ALLAH TALLAH and his HOLY PROPHET (SAW) but Pak Army killed them and give the statement that they all handover to their relatives.
ALLAH TALLAH is looking every thing and these peoples will get the justice at the day of Judgement.

In my views Musharaf and Ghazi brothers both are wrong. Both have the same ideology of dectator ship. Ghazi’s want islamic dectator ship and they promoted the Al- Qiada’s Agenda. It seems that they tried to capture the capital and control the whole country. But the way to tackle with them was also not fair. bcoz the step was taken by a army dictator .So the there were extermiests at the both side and the in the result their should be blunder. This type of behavior will very dangrous for Pakistan. We can lose our countary.

aslam_o_alykum …Lal masjid ke shuhda ki azmaat ko salam ..Lal masjid ke shuhda ka khoon rang laye ga …inshahALLAH …

a number of times such propagande is carried out against arrmy….now let me tell u the white phosphorous which is indicated above is something else then this…those chemical weapons are of heavy type and WP used in them is in heavy amount…this one used was smoke gernade…it is composed of WP but it only creats a smoke screen to decieve enemy about our own position and it is very commonly used in army exercises and demo’s…i wonder why such a thing was brought up without detail study…poor show who ever has made this topic

Oh my god enough is enough Mosharaf U r killing muslimes brothers sisters n childrens i hate u i hate u i hate u
n hey MUSLIMES people plz stand up n stop over the war n MOSHARAF should leave the government

its a killing act its must be investigated properly.
Dear musharaf you have to be executed either by LAW OR ………..

Dear All!
Assalam-o-aliekum

May Allah bless all of us and help us understand right and worng

When we make comments on some issue, we must talk with facts and figures

When i saw Lal masjed issue, i found Ghazi brothers openning up with a Slogan to implement Shariat. As a Muslim i love to be a part in implementing Shariat, and i think every Muslim Pakistani want a Real Islamic Pakistan.
Islamic court (court in lal masjid) stop some people which were doing non-islamic and non-humanitarian acts by themselves. On government involvement, Ghazi Brothers said to report such non-islamic and non-humanitarian acts to government legal body.

At first government seems to solve this issue by dialogue, but that effort was not in a sincere way. As dialogue always means give and take, which was not carried out.
At last government came to wipe out everything (thinking it just a bad dream).
Government think (could not prove) that there were weapons or foreigners. Question arise, if all people there were with weapons or were foreigners.
If we people would kidnapped with an aeroplane, will government use White Phosphores to kill all of us?
These question realy hearting all Pakistanis.
Pakistan Army which is the strogest Muslim Army in the world has led towards this crises. This crises would suffer Pakistan Army moral and its support throghout Pakistan and our Muslim allies.
I would appeal somebody from Pakistan Army, to get up, use your power and Implement Shariat(A rule with justise). You are Ammin for our trust and passion and are a soldier of Islam. Please condemn all such unjust, brutal acts.
I appeal all Muslims to pray for Shuhada and pray for unity and trust within Muslims.
Allah! we are weak, we are confused, we are lost, YOU are strong, YOU are with all knowledge, YOU are the RIGHT WAY, help us. Give us all blessed which were asked for Muslims by Mohammad (PBUH). Ammeem, Ya Rabul Aalameen.

Aameen SumaAmeen

I met so many shiet brothers/sisters they all favored Busharraf ..and what i have read here.. I wonder why our Fiqh-e-Jaffariah brothers are looking this sad incident in ethenic / secterian scenario…whereas the Martyers of Lal Mosque revived the Karbala… and as Allah promised “dont call them dead, they are alive…” and inshallah history will prove.. On the other hand we believe our commandos are also shaheeds.. as they obeyed the order.. and army ppl. in general and SSG people specially, are deprived of thinking by their own minds (its another kind of brain washing made by PAK Army) but for God sake,, dont give it a sectarian color.. Allah forbid us all..amen

Just For There Soul !

Best Regards,
ASiM

Chemical weapons were not used in LM, only smoke bombs and stun grenades by security forces. The militants inside were heavily armed and had committed crimes and refused to hand themselves over. After six months, the govt took action.

Those who call LM a drama and accuse the govt, are closing their eyes to the crimes and militancy that LM and the Ghazi brothers were responsible for. A Pakistani who commits crimes and terrorism is not some innocent fellow.

This activity is warns to us every muslim no safe in world please do the needful all our muslim brother when we go know, please standup every single movement, more and more pray to Allah Subhanllah o taala to forgive us our evilthings (gunah),and please whole muslim community united

Assalam o Aleikum

Aamir, you are closing your eyes by blindly follow what you have been told through government’s statements!!!! Wake up before it is too late.

This is not just a small issue, it is a serious blow to Pakistan and a big step in the fight being forced upon as Pakistanis. We are simply gonna fight each other….radical liberals (roshan khayals) and radical muslims… Where are we standing?! Don’t we need to wake up and throw the roshan khayals out and calm the radical muslims down?! Why is it happening now? These people have been there for decades. Can’t you see it is a part of bigger play…and no wonder US call this LM tragedy for an important step in this war on terrorism.

What has happened is horrible, and I would never think that our army would be such fools to do it. Regarding to chemical weapons, you do know nothing about them. Even Gen (R) Hamid Gul said that the weaponry used was heave and chemical weapons were used also. Among them shells, which spread fire in the building…which is even stated by the 30 survivors, who came out the last day!!!! They were in touch with the others through walkie talkies, as the same day as the operation, there was going to be ceremony of the end of “alima” course. 550 unfortunate souls never saw their diploma, but hopefully they are rewarded with shahadat.

Anyway,

The real problem is that majority just blindly trust what is told them…investigate yourself and find the lies of the establishment! They are simply full of BS.

I am not saying that I supported the approach of LM admin…but I am saying that the main “criminal” in this incident is not only the two brothers, but Musharaf and his so-called roshan khayal tabqa. If you just study why the peace agreement broke again and again, you will see how sincere the government was about taking the action and not solving it through peace. If you live or do have knowledge about that area, you will know that it is IMPOSSIBLE to get any weapon in without ISI knowing about it. They simply have their headoffice a stone throw away and fully control that area. Ask themselves!!!

My Dear Brother N Sisters!
main nay aap sub kay comments purhay hain LAL MASJID pur.kuch loggon ko toh dukh hoa hay but kuch kameenay kisam kay loog jo Musharaf sahib kay kutay hain unho nay khushi kaa izhaar kea hay jub tuk unkee maaeen and behnain iss tarha jul kr apni jaan nahi dayteen woh issy tarha kameenay he rahain gay.ALLAH hum sub kay gunhaa mahaf kuray oor naik rah pur chulnay kee and dosroon kaa dukh mehsoos kurnay kee hadait day.waysay 2 days before i visited G6 islamabad aap yuqeen kurain kay wahan aik ajeeb kisam kee khushboo phaili hoi hay woh shaheed Maoon Shaheed behnoon ke khushboo hay.
Thanks oor Musharaf kay tatoo logoo kuch sharm kurro

Pakis are just hindu converts and I think they should join back with India and become more like indians. Perhaps they can join with some other country because obviously they cannot function independently as their country sucks and the people leave a bad taste in your mouth. Plus Pakistanis do not have anything they can call their own. So why all the pride? Over what? Your backbiting? Your materialism? Your desire to be white and american with a moron as a prime minister who undermines his population by speaking english? Perhaps your racist and stereotypical nature? Perhaps thats why your governments sucks, its made up of you. The only people that are down to earth are the poor. They at least hold the values of humanity. So lets quit whining, have a revolution or join with some other country. And stop fighting with Indians, remember hindu converts, you stole their culture!

Dear all,
Kindly don’s send me again like this e-mail. That is the authenticity about the sick psychologically mentally level of our society.
You absolutely don’t know the entire critical ,treacherous situation. Don’t be so sentimental & emotional.
Ask from me what kind of problems we Pakistanis facing a lot of problems in ABROAD.
What you know about LAL MASJID history? Tell me? In detail what and how much knowledge you have about LAL MASJID..
Just sending only BULL-SHIT e-mail that’s all. You are answerability your odd jobs as PAKISTAN.
Kindly think 10000000000000000000 times to forward this e-mail
Thanks
HASSAN

Dear Mr.Yamin Malik,
Kindly don’t send again like this e-mail. That is the authenticity about the sick psychologically mentally level of our society.
You absolutely don’t know the entire critical ,treacherous situation. Don’t be so sentimental & emotional.
Ask from me what kind of problems we Pakistanis are facing a lot of problems in ABROAD.
What you know about LAL MASJID history? Tell me? In detail what and how much knowledge you have about LAL MASJID..
Just sending only BULL-SHIT e-mail that’s all. You are answerability your odd jobs as PAKISTANI.
Kindly think 10000000000000000000 times to forward this e-mail
Thanks
HASSAN

Don’t abuse anyone. All of us are the part of society. Everyone first correct him/herself before passing comments which is the very attitude of our nation. We all watch indian movies and enjoy their music and dances. We even knows the birthdate and wedding dates of these films stars but can you tell me about the names of Prophets mentioned in Quran. How many Hadiths you can reference by heart? Then why you curse indian for the cause of kashmir? Can you tell me how many men like to have a beard and how many women try to cover their hair and body in Pakistan as mentioned in Islam ? But here at this plate form everyone is trying to be loyal with martyrs of Lal masjid. We all are corrupt and just find sily excuses to cover our sins and try our level best to criticise others. This is happening for the last 60yrs and will keep on happening untill we uproot the main causes.

I hope all the supporters of LM get their wish granted by Allah Subhana and get to live in a Taliban land happily ever after. I donot expect them to get much time on internet though which they so wisely use supporting Mullah Ghazi and “brave” soldiers who showed such an islamic spirit of valour by holding kids as human shield. Yes thats true i m making it up right?? Lets all pray for LM supporters to get what they deserve . Inshallah

My Grand pa was soldier, My uncles were soldiers, my dad was soldier …………….and i am ashamed of it

Assalam u Allaikum

Everyone has to die one day. Its better dying (Ever Life) by fighting evil in the way of ALLAH instead of dying on bed.

May ALLAH bless all people of Lal Masjid Nannat ul Firdaus. (Ameen)

Regards

I would laugh at some of the comments if I wasn’t so sad reading them. People are so misguided, and so easily exploited in the name of religion. Suddenly, they’ve made a shaheed out of a person who epitomised the typical mullah mindset. The same person that half the people in the country were saying is wrong, the same person who was being viewed with fear since January. Ever since the lathi-brigade started their campaign, people all over pakistan were asking why the government can’t control these people who want to use force to push their views on others. And now, suddenly, he is turned in a pious man of un-impeachable character, a mard-e-momin who was fighting Islam. You guys are so fickle I would laugh at you, if I could.

If someone decides to pick up weapons and FORCE his views on others, if they kidnap citizens, take over buildings, burn government buildings, kill journalists, threaten suicide attacks (all happened before government attacked them), if you bring out rocket launchers and M-16s … and then you get your ass kicked like a dog in the street, don’t start crying. You challenged the government to a fight, not the other way around.

And stop trying to turn a vain-little, arrogant, self-righteous man who was exploiting our religion and destroying it, into a shaheed. Use ur brains, and please, for the love of god and islam, don’t let anyone use our religion to emotionally incite u into blindness.

Respected Spartacus you said, “People are so misguided, and so easily exploited in the name of religion”.
And then afterwards you presented a lot of reasons to prove typical MULLA mindset. Dear it is very much clearabout your words that actually you are being exploited by the propaganda against Islam to make people hatered from Islam an Muslims. All the reasons that you provided are now have question mark on them in current news by different media sources.
We all can comment very easily that who is wrong, but would you like to asks those parents who lost thier chldrein? Would they support Govt. who killed thier sons and daughters?
We should check ourselves as the both sides were bieng used to against Pakistan and Islam. Why are we not realising that at the moment we have our very good “FRIENDS” on both of our Eastern and western borders……
They are doing everything to make us “STRONG” and Specilly “MODERN”.
If religious people are being exploited emotionally then we can never stop them by Force. We are tasting the forse essance now days aroud the Pakistan. All these are not from religious parties, we are forgetting our “FRIENDS”.
So be patient and dont claim each other, we should try to make the envoirenment cool and calm, this require the efforts from both sides.

May ALLAH bestow all of Us with HIS Blessings and Peace
AAMIN

One of Hadith of Rasool Karim (SAW) explains that “When Almighty ALLAH is not happy with his people, HE creates a situation where these people begin to fight with each other claiming that they are on their right”.

O’ Almighty ALLAH please mercy on us.

I just found these photo’s over the internet. I am speechless !!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35181041@N00/

App sab par salamti Rahmatoo or barkatook or Allah ki aman k satth ho,
I think it was a worst action which was taken against Lal Majsid and Jamiya,

Thanks God That due to Shahadats of the innocent students under the leadership of Abdul Rasheed Ghazi Shaheed in Lal Masjid we people got unite as one nation on one point that Musharaf is the only person who is responcible for all that & he has to go,please Musharaf leave this country.

people who are writing in favour of Musharaf are innocent who donot know his targets he is playing in the hands of American & just to save his chair all doing that.

Grow up guys. The people in Lal Masjid were terrorist. They were the ones who were kidnapping ppl, killing rangers, carrying out sucide bomb attacks and bascially undermining the rule of law.

I am quite disappointed to see so many ppl favouring lal masjid. I thought most ppl were smart enough to see what was happeining but I guess I was wrong.

Everyone has to die one day. Its better dying (Ever Life) by fighting evil in the way of ALLAH instead of dying on bed.

They are the best choosen for “shahadat”

May ALLAH bless all people of Lal Masjid Nannat ul Firdaus. (Ameen)

Regards

Muhammad Awais Alla-Ud-Din

i think its all a game of power, but only the innoscent people suffer in this game, may All ah help us, guide us. Ameen.

Well Done Musharaf… This is the correct handling of so called Mullah. All so-called Mullah just need the same dose to keep peace on Allah earth and maintain the Islam.

Everyone has to die one day. Its better dying (Ever Life) by fighting evil and nowadays Mullah are the begest evil. No more Halwa Manda for Mullah….:)

WELL…..
now there is noyhing much left to say,what what ever happened was one of the greatest BADLUCK for PAKISTAN and ISLAM and the only cause behind is MUSHARAF+AMERICAN SLAVERY by our politicains

To the fashionable liberals here:: How. How the hell do you justify killing without a trial? Since when is burning porn a crime punishable by death? We all know who auntie shamim was dont we? esp. those who live in islamabad? Since when is detaining a professional prostitute for a couple of hours a crime punishable by death without a trial? I admit its a crime neverthless. But how and why do you justify this? If we start killing criminals like this lets see how many remain in this country.
Answer that and stay fashionable dammit!

Where were you when Lal Mosque people were creating fuss in cappital of Pakistan. There has to be a right way even if you want to do something. If I go according to view point of those Maulvees, “the story credit: Asma” is also not a nice lady since she is talking to na mehram people and addressing them.
Its our national habit when someone is doing something wrong, we keep quiet but when that wrong doing man is brought to justice we start creating fuss and confusion about it. Matter of fact is chaneg can never be by force. Only internal change is long lasting. Thanks

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Brothers! I cant believe that all of you support the maulvis at Lal Masjid. Just because we are practicing muslims does not mean that we support anyone with a beard who does things the way only he feels right. Islam’s image in the world has worsened. The burqa has lost respect. China our only freind has called 300 of its citizens back to China. Most of us are against Musharraf which is why we curse him for everything he did. The two maulvis in Lal masjid are responsible for the whole thing. They are responsible for the people that are dying now. They brain feed small children and women and make them do things which everyone can see is wrong. The right way todo in our society was to use personal contacts to get things done. When the person is resourceful enough to meet Osama, when the person is resourceful enough to gather so many people and so many arms. All he needed todo was to find the right people and use his contacts to rebuild the damaged mosque, use his contacts to close the brothels. The idea behind lal masjid movement was right but the execution was wrong. Musharraf had to take a step and stop it at the start of this year when the maulvis took over a public library. In my opinion his only fault is to have delayed this so much. The people inside the mosque got killed at their own will but took the lives of soldiers who were sent by musharraf to restore order in our country. I am not a big supporter of Musharrad myself but i dont approve of everything he does. Can anyone tell me a better way to have tackled this situation in the end. He gave them plenty of time to come out but they insisted on fighting with their own men/women using little kids as hostage. For me, people who knowingly do these acts are a disgrace to my religion because they make it sound as if Islam really is a religion based on the sword, blood and force. And you all know this is not true. A muslim is one who is by faith not by force. May Allah bless those who died in this unfortunate event and help the rest of us understand how to make efficient and sensible contributions to make our country and environment better and islamic, not violent, Ameen.

they should have nuclearized the bastards….friggin hypocrites who kisnap ppl in the name of Islam and terrorize ppl….kill them all I say

All this happend for saving his chair. this bastered musharaf has forgiven the mqm leader who are the kilers of thousands of people. his generals have occupied 1000’s acres of land but the fault of this madrassa was that they were neither “MAHAJERS” nor they have just occupied 1000 of kanal land but some one or two kanal of land for islamic preaching. this ahmedi musharaf is against muslims. if killer of 62 persons (waseem) is the advisor of sind govt. and every minister and governer of sind are killer and they have been forgiven what was the fault of Shaheed Abdul Rasheed Ghazi and thousands of innocent pupils. we hate pakistan army and all army generals are bastered and liable to be killed.

What kind of army is this? who is killing their own citizens instead of providing security to them yaaa this is punishment by Allah

common you people….y are you soooooooooo bothered…. oh yeah I forgot its Pakistani style…… always talk,utter and discuss after the match…..yeah I remember two uneducated guys who used to stand outside one of the shops nearby and commenting on one of the cricket matches that Pak won… wasim akram is the best bowler, his yorkers are excellent .. he is like in total control and can get anybody out whenever he wants… he is like god and can do anything…. then another day when Pak lost one of the matches I happened to be standing there for shopping and same uneducated people again commenting…. wasim is full of shit… he was drunk, he takes bribe, he plays “Jua” (gambling)….the whole Pakistani team is full of shit….. they should change the team and bring new blood…..

So wats going on here….. same thing… same old pakistani style….. one day everybody is praising musharaf.. oh thanks God he got rid of the filthy politicians, yes he is from the most respected army and paki people need Danda to do work and he is just the right guy to make things right….

then in few days, everyone is like musharaf is Kafir,,, he is against Islam….. he is etc etc… blah blah blah….. as one of the guys said above in one of the comments .. that everything you get to know is through same person or media or a forum like this one…. but there is no authenticity to anything…. nobody has no proof.. may be the fighters inside lal masjid were innocent…. may be they were some agents working for some indian or western agency trying to bring instability to pakistan… … there are many issues regarding this recent act…. but nobody knows the truth… best thing is to stop waisting time and start working harder and honestly for your country and bring some stability…

We are living in a Hell with Evil Called “Mushraf”. And also that Army not our Army they are NON-MUSLIM. If you do not believe please go there and find the name of all army man name and location you believe that I am right.

This fucking Musharraf is not playing with lived innocent people but He is responsible for loss of our Army and security Guards…

moosa ali rizvi, u’ll b soon punished by God, actually u shia pplz r bloody brothr of jews n 1 thng more u shia pplz r naturally punished by beating n cutting urself by ur own hands its really punishment 2 u by God….

All shia (Khatmal), fck u all bastards n u rizvi son of a bitch..

reading about use of chemical weapons in LAL masjid has agravated my soul further which was already depressed. Allah knows what else they might have used to conceal thousands of bodies, but the truth can’t be wiped out.. Allah is watching all the time,,inshallah iss musharraf ka jo hashar ho ga usssay b dunya dakay ge….I am really stunned to know brutality of kanjar army and its kanjar leaders towards innocent souls mostly of whom were females and childerns…ironically the opereation was done marely to please america… sham on y musharaf and army…chullo bar pani man doob maro tum sab..bagharato.. those who are still supporting musharaf and its policies they live in fool’s paradise..Surely, musharaf will have to apprear befor Allah’s court without uniform one day..

jo bhi howa acha nahi howa

Mein sirf itna hi kahoon ga ke is incident ke zimma daraan ko nateeja bhugatna pare ga. Aaj nahin to kal, InshaAllah.

AOA,

This comment is for all the shias that they are all born without their parents marriages and even they doesn’t know who is his/her father or mother …

They are born with the result of MUTAH

this is to let shia know that all shias are not muslim they are Munafiq “aasteen kay Sanp” … they killed our beloved Hazrat Hussain (RA) , they also said that Hazrat Ali was not a muslim (Naozubillah)… they doesn’t love Ahle-Bait …

I pray to Allah that the Cruel & ill mannered Mushy’s son be killed in any attack in USA so he may feel the PAIN OF KILLED SON OR DAUGHTER. May Allah protect the all the male and female students alongwith full family of Hazrat Molana Abdul Aziz and Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa. ALL MUSLIM’S WISH THAT “MUSHARRAF SHOULD BE HANGED TO DEATH”. AAMIN

I just want to say that after Lal Masjid instance, I started hating Pakistan Army. i simply hate them.

Musharaf is not the only culprit. The army which is supporting him is also the culprit…

Now all guys tell me one thing,Does Islam allows us to store weapons in mosque.Do you want to know what kind of weapons they hold.Read this thing.

The official said that intelligence agencies were shocked at the highly sophisticated and modern weapons, including bullet-proof and explosion-proof blankets that the militants in the Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa compound had, some of it even better than the gear given to Pakistani commandos.

Bullet-and explosion-proof blankets are the latest combat gear, and even the Pakistan Army has not been equipped with this protective gear. The agencies are now investigating where these militants got such sophisticated equipment, the official said.

Similarly, the militants had smoke grenades, fire grenades and splinter grenades, and dum-dum bullets, which explode after penetrating the target, causing maximum internal damage.Smoke grenades and fire grenades are not provided to the Pakistan Army as these are very exceptional, said the official.

The official said 29 of the commandos injured in the operation got their injuries from splinter grenades. He also said there was one ?accidental? suicide bombing during the operation which killed six students.

When the commandos tried to enter a room where half a dozen militants were present, one of the militants detonated his suicide jacket killing everyone present in the room, he said.
Security agencies are interrogating 12 aides of the Lal Masjid clerics at Adiala Jail in Rawalpindi about funding for the mosque and the clerics friends and acquaintances.

Arrested on July 10 and July 11 from Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa, the 12 men have also been implicated in the kidnapping of four policemen and seven Chinese nationals during the mosque?s moral policing drive.Internews

Now Tell Me didn’t Musharraf give them 1 week time.You all babbling about how innocents lives were killed.But You can’t understand they were held hostages.The last Time i checked Quran which only says Shaheed is the person who is killed by non-muslims in battle field.
But how does gun carrying men become shaheed when they were holding hostages.One main thing, how did they got those all type of weapons in the mosque.They were threating to launch suicide attacks.Also Did Islam Allows Suicide.What’s in the pride of dying a Haram Death rather using his life in more useful manner.If i recall it correctly,One of the companinons of Holy Prophet p.b.u.h become overzealous in fighting and went singly to fight many Kuffars,but Holy Prophet recall him back and told him not to do this thing because it is suicide.

Now you are bashing musharraf emotionally because he launch attacks on Lal Masjid.Now Describe Who tried to steal guns and radios from on 3rd July,my my my my my isn’t it called a theft, Who shot a Ranger,my my my ian’t it called a murder,Who destroyed the building of Minostr of Environment, my my my isn’t it call a break in where Our Holy Prophet dows’nt even break in to some bofy house rather knock three times and if there were no response go back.

Now you are bashing musharraf emotionally because he launch attacks on Lal Masjid.Now Describe Who tried to steal guns and radios from on 3rd July,my my my my my isn’t it called a theft, Who shot a Ranger,my my my isn’t it called a murder,Who destroyed the building of Ministry of Environment, my my my isn’t it call a break in where Our Holy Prophet does’nt even break in to some body house rather knock three times and if there were no response go back.

Now i will explain you tactfully rather than emotionally.

Just after 9/11 attacks,America unofficially threatened Pakistan to support her in the war on terror or be ready to bombed back in to Stone age.Now this phrase contain following possible scenario.

1.India would be given green light to attack Pakistan with American support which very advance weponary.Now Pakistan due to decade old sanctions weren’t have any thing modern in its arsenal but atomb bomb and missiles.But at this Point you will point at me that 1 muslim soldier is enough for5 or six Kuffars.Ok. if pakistan win the war then how india could allowed us to held their terrioy than how could we save are country from the flying missiles that were to be fired from missile.This all I am saying is not some thing pulled out of my ass,but chain of events that triggered after 9/11.Indian ambassodar gainning enough support form within UN and passed resolution Pak should stop Terrorist from Kashmir or else we will retaliate back just like America.

2.US will not give green light to India but rather itself bombed the whole area of FATA itself.Now i will remind you here that America has stalth plane which means it canot be located on radar and can carry up 40000 pound ammunition which is equivalent to 18,500 KG boms.Don’t believe please fell free to visit the link below to know what the heck B-2 is.

Defence Talk

Now tell me if we don’t agree with America,then what the possible heck of sensible choice were left with us???????

Now come with sensible and tactfull responses rather than emotional and full of abuses,casting doubts that even did you pass The Marticulation exam.????????

also few of you calling worse handling of the situation.Now Tell Me,didn;t goverment engage them for 6 months especially after abducting almost 10 chinese.Who initiated the whole 3rd July scenario.Now don’t become emotional here and start saying that it was statred all by the government without any Proof.The whole world saw how Bura clad womans with stick in thier hands and some men with them tried to snatch things from Police.nd when police lathi charged them Some Lal masjid people shoot them.Now Didn’t Government engage with LM for on whole week from 3rd july to 9th july..Now more intrestingly, did’nt Molvi Ghazi asked the government to give blanket clamency to all even the murders with them and also.Then we heard contradictory reports from Ghazi Brothers that they had only few rifles and guns with them,But how come they had bombs,machine guns and other sophisticated weapons.Isn’t it call a hypocrisy that too from a mullah.Didn’t The government treated the students of Jamia Hafsa and fareedia very well and gave them 5000 ruppess each.Good deeds are always mean to be forgotten quickly

Ms.Asma show me some physical evidence that White Phosphorous used other than the TALAT Hussain saying.Now the picture you present was the classic piece of astraying people from the truth.The above picture that you mentioned had high intensity flame.And you were quick in giving links from WIKIPEDIA of White Phosphorous.Did you ever done Search On High Intensity Or High Explosives Namely Plastic explosive or C-4.The picture clearly tells us that a suicide bomber blew hime self in the room and it was also mentioned in Press briefing that most of the suicide jackets were strapeed with C-4 explosives.judging by the size of romm,if such bomb explode in a small room then things will surely melt the Fan and other white appearings due to this fact.

By calling Media people in Lal Masjid,How would any one can guarantedd that they would not take them hostages as they were already holding the hostages.

As Ms.Put it in her article:

at a certain point Talat Hussain asked an accompanying Army personal about all the evidence of smoke around the area asking, “Why is there so much smoke?”, the solider replied “WP”, Talat put another question “Please explain WP?”, the solider answered “White Phosphorus

The most intrestiong part of above conversation is that Our Talat saw a lot of smock, i must emphasize that point again and as put by Ms.Asma “A lot Of somck” from which we could easily counclude that it was White phosphorus Smock.Now lets see what are its effect.

Exposure to white phosphorus smoke in the air can also cause liver, kidney, heart, lung or bone damage and even death.

A former US soldier who served in Iraq says breathing in smoke close to a shell caused the throat and lungs to blister

Link:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4441902.stm

WP smoke irritates the eyes and nose in moderate concentrations. With intense exposures, a very explosive cough may occur.WP may also cause liver, heart or kidney damage.

Source:Smae wikipedia source given by Ms.Asma.

Now by applying Same on Talat Who saw lot of smock but never had a cough or or other symptoms of WP smock.As we shall intend to forget quickly,I shall remind you once again Talat said that There were lot’s of smock.But it did,nt have any effect on him.Seems Strange.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also if i remeber correctly WP is a chemical agent and did’nt chemical agent vaporizes in to air.And alsoisn;t there were winds and strong winds during the LM seige.How come WP smock did’nt spread in to air and infects other people.Or it is a special type of smock which rather enjoy to stay in Jamya Hafsa.

What did you think Ms.Asma.Here is a claasic and my favourite quote for Ms.Asma And for other people who are ignoring the facts and rather being emotionlly very high just as some body blindly walkink on the roads of astray.

“The Fewer Facts You Have In Support Of An Opinion, The Stronger Your Emotional Attachment To That Opinion.”

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And last advice to those who want argue with me,come with strong evidence and information to refute me rather being to emotional and start swearing at me and cursing me.Then i will compel to undertsand that these guys would belong to the illiterate portion of our society.

we all pakistani request Sup.Cout to hang Jn.Musharaf, Rawalpindi Core commendor and all pml(Q)amd MQM members who involeve in Lal Masque case.

Crush Musharraf

u shais only know what we can say is wrong about lal masjid. you hate becoz you are against them becoz of your wrong and misguided leadership of ur mullahs who eat and sleep and only talk to kill muslims and then enjoy everyone who live in islamabad know the lal masjid n its positive role for islam do not blame only because u r shia ok try to understand quran and life of our beloved Prophet n believe on ALLAH ALMIGHTY what ever shias produecing against lal masjid and islam is wrong but in fact they are misguided people. Salam to Shuhudae lal Masjid and v pround on them and v muslims proud on our shuhudas like one of our beloved did that Hazrat Imam Hussain.

Mr. Rashid, the smart guy I reviewed all your comments and advice you to read this quote :
“The Fewer Facts You Have In Support Of An Opinion, The Stronger Your Emotional Attachment To That Opinion.”

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Shame on Pakistan Army. They have no courage to fight against our enemy India. (We remember what happened in past three wars with India). At the time of war with enemy, our basturds I mean our napak army (property dealers)try to negotiate through talking inspite of war. They can only show their power on innocent Paksitani people. Fist they do the same with bangalees and now they repeat it on Lal Masjid. On thing which I can say confidently that all the peoples got killed in lal Masjid are shaheeds, while the napak army people will go to Jahanam InshaAllah.

Salam!
Allah taala knows who was right and who was wrong and it will be evident on the day of judgment.
The people who died at Lal Masjid are shaheeds inshaAllah and Allah will reward them of their shahadat on the day of judgment.
The dogs of Bush, who may seem very successfull in this world, will suffer the death of a murderer and may vultures devour on their corpses.

I and every Pakistani is agree with you Ahmed.

Ahmed Get Your facts Straight.And Masood You are as ignorant as a 6 months old baby.In 1965 war how pakistan defeated.Tell.In 1971 we were lost due to the 1000+ mile distance between West and Pakistan so that we could not send reinforcements at time and we lost East Pakista.But Not West Pakistan.In Kargil Our Brave Soldeirs were Kicking the indian asses like Hitting Thief with 13 number Chappal.That’s obly because of our bastarad Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif That we backed Out.

I am smelling And Indian Rat Here Who is taking advantage of all this bashiong issue and trying to malign Pakistan.Please becareful and specially Ahmad who should open his before doing a proper search and then talk or else Shut The Fuck Uo

Now @ Mr.Abdullah who said me Clever,Tell me did you provide any evidence that can refute my claim instead of just stealing my quote and saying i don’t know about facts.Cmo’n show me your facts,Don’t talk out of your ass.You really need to educate youself.Go and do proper search on this subject before even posting it here.Fool

Masood said He and every Pakistani agree upon what Ahmed said.Show me one common Pakistani who agrees with Ahmed except you.Show the knowledge levels of yours is very Low.

All the above Quotes are saying LM guys are Shaheed.Last Time When did you Quran with Translation.Yes When did you read The Tafseer.The Quran Says Shaheed are those who got killed by the non-muslims Kuffar.Just Show The Knowledge levels of yours.Just Blindly Following The Others and not doing a proper search before even posting here

How some Posters here start to compare the Imans of people.Did they have some device that they can see the Lm guys are going towards the Paradise.How Killing A Fellow Muslim will ever lend people go to Paradise.

There are some posters who are trying to Flame sectarianism here.I told you Don’t ever bring this Shia-Sunni crap here.We are Muslims and then Pakistanis.Not shia,sunni or some thing else.

I don’t see any Knowledge able person who can refute my WP smock claims,Just bashing Army and Saying LM guys are shaheed.Shows how much they know about their religion

And Where Ms.Asma is who post this baseless and nonsense claims.I challenge her to come to this thread or any other peron who is knowledge able and refute my claims instead of ranting the sam and same charmless mantra

SHUTUP YOUR MOUTH (Mr.RASHID)
Every Pakistani people will know beeter about Pak Army Jenrals.they all are working form 1947 to till date for Amercians.shame for u gandoo Rashid.And son of Bitch RASHID what you know about ISLAM.

@ Usma

You tell me what is worth done by Our Civil Administration other fuelling corruptions and buying bungalows in Britian and oter countries.I think You have no ethics.Does Islam teaces you to abuse.This shows your ignorance towards Islam.

Assalam-o-Alaikum,
The people of Lal Masjid and Jamiya Hafza are far better then us. They all are Hafiz-ul-Quran. And at the time of operation they all in Rooza. There demamds are 100% right. They are not murderer. They are not terorist. They are good Muslims better then us. Government + Pakistan Army did a very shamefull act. They show their power against very innocent peoples inspite of enemy. Some questions if some one can give answer of them:
1) Why Government did not show there power against MQM three months back?
2) Why government has appointed ministers who are the murdere of many peoples?
3) Why Government has released 300 prisnors while highjacked a plane of PIA by Murtaza Bhutoo and gave him free passage?
4) Why Goverment gave free passage to Mian Nawaz Shareef?
5) Why Government disslove the caseses against Banazir and Zardari?

Farooq Why are you turning blind eye to Lal masjid acts,Didn’t they kill a ranger,didn’t they kill a Journalist.Ok Their demands are legtimate.But Do you Kidnapping is also A crime.Also does Islam allows weapons in mosque.Why did they bought all the weapons.Isn’t Jamia hafsa was a Educaional instituition.While You can see faults of Army And Government but can’t see the faults of LM

Dear Mr. Rashid,
I think you are also the son of some property dealer, I mean pakistan army. We can’t change your mind. Only ALLAH can change you. But please see all the things from your eyes open.

Musharaf and Ghazi are the names basically representing two institutions Military and Mosque both leaving their jobs of defence and education turning up because of thier psychological problems one(military) deprived of knowledge (always recieving commonds and the other of practice as left with theory but to experiance the change they selected a place known as Pakistan and the sufferers are poor people like students of Lal Masid and Jamia Hafsa since 1970s with different names sect, race (bangal) or ethnicity.
we must accept reality both of them are not to rule is as hard fact as pakistan is not one nation but a countary of four major and many small nationalities.

i am just ashamed of being a pakistani,O Allah give us strength to speak up against the power,Just like u did 1400 years ago.Whom v r waiting for ?

@Ahmed.I belong To A Middle class family who are living in Middle eastern Country.Give me just damn fact with proof that Jamia Hafsa People were Entirely innocent,what i say,Entirely innocent with Proof.I have you facts with proof that government were partially to blame.And you started to accuse me that I am a son Of Army Men.Come with facts to change my mind.Again I wanted to point out your ignorance and stupidity that Allah will change my mind.Allah will only change one’s mind by using his Pious man or by passing him through some testing moments.What Pakistan has gone through from 3rd to 13th july has changed my damn mind already

Anyone Who wanted to debate with me,come with solid proof and facts rather than emotional and stupid and full of abuse statments which shows you illiterate or stupid state.

Pitty on U RASHID.
or
I can conclude that your childish approch is due to continous Brain washing of Military.
Don’t be ashamed You R not the only Victum.
Military has crambled the facts and History and continously played a double cross. by propagating fictasious policies on PTV and completely reversal of all that on International front.
About the 3 famous wars.
according to neutral historians. Pak Army has initiated the war of 65 by droping commandos in Srinagar.
they have captured BATMALO the famous sector of Srinagar.
India only opened the new war field at its own convenience.
Pakistan has initiated the war for Kashmir If we won then WHERE IS KASHMIR ???????
All stories of Braveries in 65 are still waiting to be confirmed by the international historians their authanticity is a big big question mark.
In 71 as well India haven’t attacked Pakistan it had controlled the territory from september 71 through Proxy war till Dec 71 until Pakistan had launched a open attack from West Pakistan to defenf East Pakistan.
But according to Colonel Saddiq Salik Guns can never change the beleives. we have lost East Pakistan when Gen. Tikka Khan had started the Military Operation in East Pakistan.
and still Army haven’t learnet any thing from its experiences.

*Edition to Make*

There is a mistake in above post,in third line, which i like to mention.

I know that goverment is partially to be blamed but come with facts and solid proofs that Goverment were responsible for massacre.Didn’t Government five them chance to surrender.Again tell me Isn’t Pak Army muslim?????????

Abdullah,it’s pitty to see that you are ignoring facts and figures.i have based my Posts on Facts and figures.On the other hand,your Post is full of Propoganda.To hell with,if there is internet than why i would make my source of news PTV

The war is not about snatching the ground of enemy.It is about defending our motherland.In 1965,Pakistan successfully defaded it’s mother land and also snatch some land.Then how Pakistan defeated in 1965.In 1971,i accept it is incompetency of our then polticians and army men due to which we lost East Pakistan

Pak Army has the history of killing the pakies. Pak Army killed hundreds of thousands in Bengal.

Pak Army killed people in Karachi in 92.

Pak Army killed Baloch Sardar Nawab Akbar Bugti which will result in an other fall after Dhaka.

Pak Army killed 83 kids in Bajaur and hundred in Waziristan and WANA. They are brave you know.

So brave that Pak Army made the life of Dr. AQ Khan miserable and gave a message to all that don’t work for Pakistan against American interests.

Here in Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa, Pak Army had a fight with kids, women and young and these brave men of SSG killed and burnt them. BUSHARRAF said before operation “Main bata raha hoon yahan.. yeh sub surrender kar dain. nahene to maray jaein gay sub.”

Yes. If these brave men are asked to fight against an enemy, there they start a dialogue. Even if USA attacks Pakistan, they don’t even feel that the writ of the Govt. is challenged or our sovereighnity is challanged.

They are evil and the nation is to get rid of this evil very soon if the nation wants this Pakistan exist.

P.S: Please add ‘Na’ before the word ‘Pak Army’. This was ‘Silent’ in the comments like the operation in Lal Masjid was ‘Silent’

GO BUSHARRAF GO

Dear Mr. Rashid,
Lal Masjid people are shaheed because they gave up their lifes for the cause of Islam. (NOT FOR MODERN ENLIGHTEN ISLAM) We dont need this kind of BUSH ISLAM. All Pakistanis Muslim Islam is that which was completed by our Holy Prophet PBUH in 1400 years back.
First of all there is no need of Paksitan Army to do these type of acts with there own civilians. Army is for the defense of civilians.
For your information that TV reporter is killed by the bullet of Army person. That ranger was also killed by Government agency person’s bullet just to start and make the envoirnment.

Pakistan Army were killing those person to keep in mind two things:
1) To obey the order of their boss.
2) They are fighting against terorist.

Both of these logics are wrong. We are super humans. This is our duty to use our brain before doing such type of shameless acts. Suppose If jurnol said to the major to kill his father. Will that major will obey his boss. Off course not. This means that Army is totaly wrong and they will not shaheed because their objective is to obey their boss or to fight against terorism.

One more thing, who told you that The Quran Says Shaheed are those who got killed by the non-muslims Kuffar. Dear Mr. Rashid you are totally wrong. A Muslim can be Shaheed by their objectives of fighting. What are their NEEAT at the time of fighting. Please contact with some reknowned aalim.

At the time of Hazrat Ali razi Allah Taala Unho’s khilafat. He fought a war against Hazrat Ameer Maavia RA. large no. of Ashra Mubashra sahabi was in the side of Hazrat Ameer Maavia. Man was killed on both sides. Now what you think ? The people of both sides was shaheed becasue the objective of both side was for the sake of Islam. Because the neeat of both sides was correct. So please dont say next time that all army person were also shaheed.

Dear Mr. Rashid,
Lal Masjid people are shaheed because they gave up their lifes for the cause of Islam. (NOT FOR MODERN ENLIGHTEN ISLAM) We dont need this kind of BUSH ISLAM. All Pakistanis Muslim Islam is that which was completed by our Holy Prophet PBUH in 1400 years back.
First of all there is no need of Paksitan Army to do these type of acts with there own civilians. Army is for the defense of civilians.
For your information that TV reporter is killed by the bullet of Army person. That ranger was also killed by Government agency person’s bullet just to start and make the envoirnment.

Pakistan Army were killing those person to keep in mind two things:
1) To obey the order of their boss.
2) They are fighting against terorist.

Both of these logics are wrong. We are super humans. This is our duty to use our brain before doing such type of shameless acts. Suppose If jurnol said to the major to kill his father. Will that major will obey his boss. Off course not. This means that Army is totaly wrong and they will not shaheed because their objective is to obey their boss or to fight against terorism.

One more thing, who told you that The Quran Says Shaheed are those who got killed by the non-muslims Kuffar. Dear Mr. Rashid you are totally wrong. A Muslim can be Shaheed by their objectives of fighting. What are their NEEAT at the time of fighting. Please contact with some reknowned aalim.

At the time of Hazrat Ali razi Allah Taala Unho’s khilafat. He fought a war against Hazrat Ameer Maavia RA. large no. of Ashra Mubashra sahabi was in the side of Hazrat Ameer Maavia. Man was killed on both sides. Now what you think ? The people of both sides was shaheed becasue the objective of both side was for the sake of Islam. Because the neeat of both sides was correct. So please dont say next time that all army person were also shaheed. Also see and read these below web sides:

http://nawaiwaqt.com.pk/urdu/daily/july-2007/15/columns1.php

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jul2007-daily/13-07-2007/col3.htm

http://www.urdupower.org/columns/Mutfarak/main1.html

Child I am not intrested in a debate if you r prepared to keep your belives as is, no matter whats r the actual facts..

But as a elderone I would suggest u to concentrate on Subject of history.
Go about
main nay Dhakka Dobetay Dekha.
by Col. Siddiq Salik
Hamood ur Rahman Report.
Specially the chapter of Gen. Raany.
Then may be u would be able to pitch some solid thing before elders who seen all this happening.
and look Army is making the same mistake in remaining Pakistan.
I havent asked to initiate suisidal attacks against army. or havent bombed any military convey.

But the situation is alarming for visionaries.
Believes of “the son of the soil” are changing day by day.
and Anti Military Team is growing day by Day(Like it happened in 71).
Any operation and use of Power only can add fuel to this wave.

Military is not prepared to listen any visionary sugession

We can only prey

@ how do you know about the neeat of LM guys.You tend to forget How Moulana Abdul Aziz were Escaped in Burqa.Again Show me Islamically That LM guys are shahed yes Islamically.But If you are using word literaray which givivg life for a cause then it i will also call all Army men who gave their lives Shaheed

Guy I thing we are going way of track .In my personal opinion there was no chemical weapons were used . I might be wrong. There is no denying the fact that what happened was truly injustice. There is no explanation in killing our own people and for that we have to blame Pakistan army. Or Gen Perwaz Mushraf regime.

We are extremely sorry for what ever happened. I ll not call names to army or mushraif coz I think by discussing them there sins will become less.

I just wanted to say kay hum saab ko itjamai toba kernee chaheya .so that hum in hukamrano say najat palain.and I pray kay jo be shaheed howay hain Allah un kay darjat buland karay.Aameen

Ok this thread is about LM and how situation was handled.Not about 65,71 wars.If you want to beabate on this wars then open an other, then i will happily reply you there,Until Then Stick To the Topic

Do you mean Yazid’s Army was SHAHEED?

Rashid:
If Army official gives lives fighting against the external enemies they r shaheeds.

if they are killing the son of the soil to capture their land like happened in Bangal, Balachistan, Waziristan, LalMasjid , then they r not.
Freedom fighter who r fighting on their own land for their rights are shaheeds.

What Army is doing these days can’t suit on a Muslim Army. I have serious doubts to mention it as Muslim Army.

Ali on,why don’t you condemn The LM behaviour which they continue to show from 3rd july until end.Didn’t Government try to negotiate with them in every possible way.How the hell gun trotting people Become innocent people.They were mad.Holding hostages which were women and children.

Rashid.

WOW you have really spammed this blog to WAZOO, with so many repeated comments - quite literally repeating your arguments over and over again as if to indicate you are too confused to carry on a coherent discussion - I don’t mean to attack you but so many comments actually discredit your own argument as no one would really read the 25+ comments made by a die-hard-musharraf fan called Rashid. Friendly advise, next time be concise to the point and For God Sake write all your thoughts in ONE SINGLE POST maybe composing them in Word before pasting it here, then wait for others to react then RESPOND.

Now on to your arguments - Your attitude towards the army is commendable and quite a number of people are still hanging on to the old army thread abd hence this point of view needs to be carefully understood. I only get the feeling that you are living in a fools paradise, the seven year rule has proven yet again for the upteenth time that Army dictatorship has done NOTHING to improve our country, all it has done is to make these Jarnals real estate mafia.

The Lal Masjid incident as I have noted that Musharraf ‘had’ to do it but the annhilation could have been far better orchestrated - rubber bullets, tear gas, stun grenades.

This hostage situation is nothing different then an Aircraft Hijacking, which has been researched to a far better outcome minimizing loss of life. I just feel Musharraf had to SILENCE everyone inside and the events after then incident portrayed an attempt to quickly cover up the evidence.

You may be valiantly trying to defend the army - but there are a lot more questions then answers - and sadly you living in the middle east may have little idea on the actual pulse of