according the latest news, there has been strict security around graveyards in islamabad in H – 11 and heavy machinery is being used to dig large graves inorder to hide those dead bodies quickly. Other wise, whats the use of putting security on lal masjid and graveyard after operation

I cannot do any thing… but this all is becuase of
Basturd, DOG, and KHENZEER Musharaf.

How low can a human get, just to save his chair.

Shame on musharaf and his forces.

If india forces kill kashimir people in kashimir we say its state terrisim, if pak forces kill paks people in pakistan, its “War Against Terrisim”

Allah forgive us all on our sins.
it is shame for a nation that the army killed unarmed true muslim civilians.

we can expect anyting from this “Naa” Pak Army. As they had killed more than a million Bangali Muslims in 1971.

Allah forgive our sins and protect muslims that want to oby the rules of islam and Quran.
Its really shame for the army of Pakistan that they kill there own unarmed peoples that only want that pakistan became islamia jamuria pakistan in reality.
I requeat jenral plz go from pakistan and donot kill over inocent people for America.

Un-armed innocent ppl were killed in LAL MASJID.

Miraculously Un-armed innocent ppl killed 10 of the best of the best of Pakistan Army.

In which fools paradise you ppl live in, i am failing to understand.

A general is to risk his life to save the nation .. not to risk the entire nation to save his life.
May Allah shows right path to our leaders

Soo Sonnar key. Aik lohaar key.

Mr.Truth. This country was divided in 1971 by the people like you.And now again it will be divieded into 4 parts , and all this happen because Musharf mamon is supported by people like you.Who are against Islam and Pakistan and working for the agenda of our Pak enemies. Shame on u…..

Alas! many of our pakistani muslim brothers still support Musharraf’s brutal ideology. I think his war is not against extremism/terrorism but infact it is against Islam and innocent humans not liked by his master America.

Use of power rather than negotiations always results in disaster.

Dear Brothers!!
AoA!!
Allah has proven us all the innocence of Lal Masjid and its gr8 Mujhaideens, by putting their love and hatered for govt. and army in our hearts.

it reminds us that another ” waqa-e-karbala” has been set forth by 1st stopping water and food on them and then killing them all.
its the extreme world would ever see,
I feel shame on having such a so called leader.
If Bush planned the Drama of 9-11, it worked well till 5 years and its been discloused just now,
but lolz on govt and army , that their Drama has been discloused on the very day ,they did it

many many Dua’s for Shohada-e- Lal masjid, Remember Allah is there for the justice and soon we shall be seeing Allah juctice

Muslims all over the world and Pakistan in General only have one way of survival i.e to unite. Nationalism is an ideaology is a concept of the West to divide the Ummah. I might not have supportrd the methods of The Shaheeds of Lal Masjid, but if Actions of Musharaaf and his Mercanaries are anything close to moderation, I believe I am as much of an extremist as any who liad down their lives for believing in their just cause. Their demands wre just and needed to be adhered to but that is not what Musharaf and Co want. Look at the CAT club in Islamabad, inaugurated by who Sumaira Malik to do what DAnce Parties, wine and who knws what. We as a nation and as Ummah are at a shameful stage and unless we as individuals start speaking up we are doomed for good.

I will convey my comment ovr the american Pupet named musharaf, all over the country and specially in the areas where innocent muslims are with strong faith living are his target. there is no Muslim suicider present in Wazirestan or any where all over the country. RAW and MOSAD are doing the same over here and the PUPET of America killing the muslims in aftermaths. MAY GOD BLESS US.

i want to comment neither in favor of musharaf nor in favor of Lal Masjid. the ppl at Lal Masjid were wrong in their actions, if they want to preach ISLAM they should do it in a RESPECTABLE manner like our HOLY PROPHET (SAW) and his RESPECTED COMPANIONS did, if you want to attract ppl to ISLAM u shouldn’t be forcing them into it by the using weapons such as SPEARS, Fighting RODS and GUNS, ISLAM was spread by LOVE and FAIR DEALING with the ppl that were UN-AWARE of it. At the same time I think musharaf has been playing a coward, never showing up his face at the real time, placing the pawns at the front-end and then playing his dirty game, he surely is an AMERICAN AGENT, who is using all the resources of this country in the utmost interest of BUSH and ONLY BUSH.
i contradist with the person calling it a NAA PAK ARMY, the ppl that died performing their duty had nothing to do with all this drama they were mere pawns being used by a power superier than them, if u think their families r now going to be compensated with RICHES u r sadly mistaken, the only entity that will BEAR the FRUIT of all this BLOODSHED will be MUSHARAF and MUSHARAF alone.
if u don’t believe me study history, this was a major HUB for providing war-fighters against RUSSIANS during the AFGHAN-RUSSIA war, alledgely SUPPORTED by money and weapons from AMERICA and Gen. Zia, now that AMERICA has used AFGHAN war (again i will say a plot set by AMERICA) and PAKISTAN to break the MOTHER RUSSIA state into many small ones that will stay ECONOMICALLY SLAVES to IMF and WORLD BANK to run their economy, it now wants to crush its own pawns, therefore first it SETUP 9/11 to crush AFGHANS and IRAQI’s and now it wants to close all of its HUBS and WEAPON trading points, for that reason AMERICA directed musharaf to kill these ppl, which he happily did to stay ON THE CHAIR, but fellows don’t worry, he’ll be hanged one day just like SADDAM, saddam also once did a similar show in his country killing hundreds and thousands of his country men and then finally met his deems. same is bound to happen to musharaf. but above all of much being said in this issue, it is a time of confusion and chaos, just like predicted by our HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SAW) and all should hold fast to each other for u all have some obligation to each others first as MUSLIMS and then as HUMANS. The ONE’s who carry their duty to others and ALLAH with balance (MIYANA RAWI) will one day succeed, because ALLAH has announced reward for such ppl.
MAY ALLAH BLESS US ALL AND PROVIDE US ENOUGH STRENGTH AND FORESIGHT TO DIFFER BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG AND FOLLOW A BALANCED LIFE. AMEEN!

This acts of Presidt Musharaf is hugely condemon by all muslims.Mostly of them were Hufazul Quran & were innocent.Allah will aske all of us abt them.Musharaf does not know tha difference b/w chair & Humab being i am wonder how he is capable of leading further.I pray God to gives theire soule rest & peace.

This acts of Presidt Musharaf is hugely condemon by all muslims.Mostly of them were Hufazul Quran & were innocent.Allah will aske all of us abt them.Musharaf does not know tha difference b/w chair & Human being i am wonder how he is capable of leading further.I pray God to gives theire soule rest & peace.

I am neither in support of the president nor the lal Masjid personel. Ive been following the news regularly ever since the episode initiated. Ppl from all walks of life have numerous things to say about the unfortunate scenario that took place. My question is that are we really im a position to be commenting on the issue. As far as i know none of us ‘ordinary citizens’ actually know what really took place. All we have done is takin bait from various information resources. .particularly the media and concluded our opinion on the matter. Have v ever wondered the authencity of this info. We as a nation are very quick to lay verdicts and pt fingers within minutes. Doesnt it haunt u that so many ppl lost their lives in the gruesome episode. Ppl from BOTH sides. We lost hundreds of innocent , un-INNOCENT Lives. Who are we to blame or label those who died as SHAHEED OR DEAD. No one will ever know.
Secondly ppl are comparing this episode with that of 1971 and blaming the army for it. Well let me put some things in prospective. Firstly in 1971 BHUTTO was at the helm of affairs. At that time BHUTTO was the true leader. The armed forces had no say in the matter but to follow his direct orders. In the Lal Masjid Episode there were three parties.
1. The goverment administration (headed by Mushu)
2. The lal masjid administration(headed by maulana brothers)
3. Fighters (soldiers of army rangers police and lal masjid)

now let us see who are to blame? Dont u think the first two are surely to blame. The tricky part comes in the case of the third group. Werent they ordered from the top. So why should we be labeling and blaming a whole institution (army or maddaris) for the fault of two men. Group 1 & 2.
This is the same thing that happened in east pakistan where Bhutto was made into a hero just because benazir hired a professional propoganda firm from britan to mould the mind of pakistani ppl through the media. . .and boy did she hit the jackpot. It is time we question and analyse things around us. HAMZA TAHIR.

May allah except the shuhada’s shahadat… And may allah lead us to the right path towards the restoration of the islamic state which ruled more than half of the world for 1200 years… May allah help us learn from the mistakes that the lal masjid maulanas made and help us in bringing about the change in pakistan without making those mistakes…. AMEEN!!!

I am with Mushraf, because he is doing his best to finish Terrorist from our country….

Lanat ho Mosa ali Rizvi teray per, Allah kary teray aor sary Shia’s per aasah he Attack ho, Kajar kay Bachooo…. Lanat

Its sad to see whats happening and its really sad to see how we are responding to everything. We are very much active in talking but we dont do anything that may make a difference. Am not asking anyone to pick up guns or come out on streets but what we have achieved as a nation and in person in all these years. We all are part of it. Looking at the public bathrooms, looking at the way our decent strata of society behaves and looking at their way of life, i feel ashamed for what we are doing to ourselves and our country. We should concentrate on what we are doing for our country! I heard there is a saying that the leader is the best representative of the nations overall character and i think we all know the type of leaders we got in the past 50 years of our existence as a nation. I think our collective actions speaks louder then our words.

To stop these suiside attacks, bomb blasts and extremism in the country, Musharraf should resign bcoz all this is due to the failure of his policies. he is not at all fit for ruling the country. if u can’t protect us, u have no right to kill us.

Musharaf is not a human being. i think he belongs to a pig family. that’s why he is killing muslims.I know some people will disagree from me that he does not belong to pig family because pigs are not so ugly and bastards like him.

We are ashamed on this miserable incident of massive destruction of muslim lives.A genral is on defence of his own life by sacrificing innocent people.But how longer more…?he is entered into a close street.no return.pakistani army,perhaps is not able to fight with india now thats why they are satisfying theirselves by killing their own people.but “Dil ka jana thher giya,subho giya ke sham giya”.thatis a luck of musharraf

Assalaam alykum..

Very simply the Ghazi brothers had to bring attention to the problems of the people of Islamabad. The government saw it fit to surround them and 1500 girls, lay barbed wires around them, starve them and deny water and electricity. They pounded them with missiles and tanks, so the brothels of the Islamabad continue their business for the benefit of those whom the crime pays. The government can now go back to destroying more schools, more students while licensing domestic and foreign brothels.

Allah inshallah zaroo is duniya may is say badala lay ga .AAmeen

Qura’an say’s
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[002.114] And who are more unjust than those who forbid that Allâh’s Name be glorified and mentioned much (i.e. prayers and invocations) in Allâh’s mosques and strive for their ruin? It was not fitting that such should themselves enter them (Allâh’s mosques) except in fear. For them there is disgrace in this world, and they will have a great torment in the Hereafter.

busharef and his family will face the same inshallah ameen ameen ameen

musa ali rizvi sahib please put ur brother n sister there n then comment ……….kute ke bache lante

Dear Musa Ali Rizvi, this is ur comments because you are Shia, you will always enjoy attacks on Islam and support anti-islamic elements.

What is only happening, The americans fighting their war in our soil with our people using our people.

Congrats to our govt.they had made a tremendous effort so now Aunti Shamim, massage centres and others can now do there businesses freely and Musharaf, Sheikh Rasheed and others can get prostitutes and massages on there will. Furthermore, musharraf has done this thing at this point of time to ensure america that he is a loyal kutta so america back him to re-elect him as a president.

what ever we r going thru at the moment is nothing which got us out of the blue but rather we are paying price for being muslims and on top nuclear power.all those died were Martyrs ,i just have one concern in my heart that we will be asked by allah on the day of judgement .Now taht every thing has been done and all shaheeds must be in heaven for giving their lives to glorify Islam ,we earthly creatures are discussing taht it was a blood Masacre and un just but at that time no one responded to shaheeds calls.The only difference b/w us and those martyrs is taht they were on top level on imaan (as they stopped unjustice and sin by force) and we on the other hand are at the last stage of our imaan(we can just condemn it with in our hearts and too scred to do anything).May Allah forgive us all ,my fellow muslim bro/sis its time to save our imaan ,we might not get second chance,ask for Allah’s forgiveness collectively as a nation and on individual level.Even worse time is comming ahead .Allah forgive us all,though we dont deserve but you are our supreme lord and its your forgiveness that we seek.NO BUSHY OR MUSHY CAN DAMAGE THE IMAGE OF ISLAM,LONG LIVE ISLAM

Who is terrorist?
The person who left his home to learn Quran and Hadith, who is Hafiz-e-Quran and Aalim and offer his prayers in day and night and living hand to mouth in a masjid or madrissa
OR
the person who pass his nights in clubs with vine and engage himself in… and orders his sub-ordinates to open fire with bombs, machine guns upon the persons having wooden sticks and on masjid and madrissa as well, has thousands of people blood upon him. Never remained close to his religion ….
Who is the Terrorist?
What do you with regard to this question.

Qura’an say’s in 071 – Soorah Nooh – ((Prophet) Noah) – [Makkee]
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[071:026] And Nûh (Noah) said: “My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers on the earth!

[071:027] “If You leave them, they will mislead Your slaves, and they will beget none but wicked disbelievers.

[071:028] “My Lord! Forgive me, and my parents, and him who enters my home as a believer, and all the believing men and women. And to the Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong doers, and disbelievers) grant You no increase but destruction!”

Dear Muslim Brothers !

the incident has been passed …. but do u think our taxes are using in right way ? Army is growing on our taxes but i think this army is also using makin money from back doors i.e. america….. now our duty is to find the way that what can be the best way of usage of our taxes … not for army and its weapons. so that they could’nt use it again onto our muslim brothers n sisters.

i say the demand of Ghazi Abdul Rasheed Shaheed may be wrong (not exactly) but can anyone tell us that is the implementation of Islam is the duty of Angels? that one day one angel will flydown to earth and will annouce the implementation of Islam’s says in its true letter n spirit.

Do you think demand of closing the Sharab khanas, prostetution, message centers etc. etc. is wrong ?

except all above, do you think the act of Ghazi Shaheed was so dangerous that the authorities had no other choice except to kill the Ghazi Shaheed and inocent children of Lal Masjid?

I am extremely against this operation. The action of army like saying that do or die never say why
Why shouldn’t say why when ation will be against innocent people. I feel shame as Pakisanti after this operation. It is no sin to do good deeds and forbid sins. Everyone shoud be first true human then true muslim.
Insaano plz Insoonoo pay raham karo

it is said … ‘jis tarah ki qaum hoti hay un pe waisa hi hurkmaran bheja jata hay’
and this is so very true. the need here is that people should reform their lives individually and then worry about the greater issues. we ourselves are hypocrites… look at ourselves swearing out shia brothers here is this what our islam teaches us? NO … we are not ready to listen and tolerate anything … we need to change ourselves first instead of changing others and the system. I hope and pray to Allah that he gives us strength to straighten our lives and show us the right path. Amen

I fully agree with Mr. Em Que …. infact i had forgotten to add this into my comments ….. in these days, there is no little sin what we are not doing …. like ….. everyone know better about him/her ….. so plz plz plz try to make your own act positive according to the sayings of Islam then blame others …… and plz stop abusing shia or sunni etc. etc. our Islam does’nt teach us so ……

Who is terrorist?
The person who left his home to learn Quran and Hadith, who is Hafiz-e-Quran and Aalim and offer his prayers in day and night and living hand to mouth in a masjid or madrissa
OR
the person who pass his nights in clubs with vine and engage himself in… and orders his sub-ordinates to open fire with bombs, machine guns upon the persons having wooden sticks and on masjid and madrissa as well, has thousands of people blood upon him. Never remained close to his religion ….
Who is the Terrorist?
What do you with regard to this question.

From Both person, If a person kill someone without ANY REASON -> This is not the reason that A kill my borther so I should kill B for revenge – or Islam has given me the power to implement Shairat)

Is the terrorist?

Hazoor Pak Said “I m leaving two things among you, 1. Quran and 2. Sunna (or Ahlabait)?
Can anyone give me eny evidence from Quran and Sahay Sitta books that we a person in a STATE can implement SHERIAT forcefully (By Danda, Gun, etc).
I would suggest think liberally, When thinkging this sort of event be a nuetral person then think who is wrong.

Operation was evil act from president. He has been decided it 6 month ago. He used also both brother by third party peoples.
Musharaf end will be horrible but God knows time.
Please pakitani peoples make your as a united nation, every body can have different point of view with each other so please bear each other otherwise we cannot be a nation but definitly a crowd which we are at the moment. So please try to make a good nation by sharing good ideas, research, unity, hardwork, fatith, honesty, taking care of each others and respect other point of view. Otherwise day by day we are going to decline. Thanks

I am Pakistani, but I really feel sorry and Sad what happened in lal- Masjid, This is totally against humanity. Musharaf and Shaukat Aziz, they are coward persons, they can only sit and give orders to kill those who were fighting for the sake of Islam. Even I feel really shame on Pakistan army that how they have planned Operation. If they have guts, they should take Commando Action and caught Lal Masjid Administration alive, but they straihgt away bombarded Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa,,, where too many innocient lives are wasted.

Musharraf, you follow the instruction of USA, as how Sadam Hussain follow same intruction. By God grace, you will see what will happen at the end of your life. You fear USA better than your god the creature of the mankind. Definately, Islam will succeed on you and your psycopant.Mind you, we nigerians, we have no power to come down to pakistan and assist our muslims brothers, but ALLAH promised to answer the prayers of those who depend and blieve in him.

“Allah muslamano ki halat per rehem karay”. The enemies of Islam are testing us and trying to weaken our Iman, that’s all. We Muslims have become easy targets for the whole world now. It’s very easy for them now to arrest or kill Muslims whenever and wherever they want. We have been labeled as either extremist or terrorist nothing less. I can bet if there were few Non-Muslims present as well inside the Lal Masjid, this be-iman and be-sharam commissioned officer Pervez would never dare to order his army for such a brutal attack on the Masjid. He was able to do that only because each and every person present inside the Masjid was Muslim. No country in the world has opposed/criticized his mishandling the situation and wrong decision of attacking, destroying a holy place and killing innocent young boys and girls.
Our beloved country Islamic Republic of Pakistan has reached to a defining point whether it can be run like a true independent state or stay as is under the influence of external powers. We are forced to live under the new world order. Our social and religious values are being changed rapidly thru the world’s Social Engineering Program. Our nation is seamlessly being dragged towards secularism. Now it is up to the people and our political leaders if they want to resist or let it be a secular state.

I am with Musharaf regarding to kill KILLERs. I would suggest to Gov Kill all the extrimist from pakistan who dont konw What is ISLAM (and interpret ISLAM wrong like Gazi Brothers).
Who Brain Wash the youngs and use them for their own advantages.
Killing innocent peple in the world (specially in Paksitan).
Kidnapping the people for the sake of their own ISLAM
They are just the follower of SHAITAN.
I am very sad and amazed that people just blaming the Gov because Gov just wash out the wrong people.Or Gazi Brothers were using the name of ISLAM so we should say Right to them.
Where we are going. Have we forget to use the all senses or our mind never wanted to think the right way.

Quran:
Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.

Assalam-o-Alaikum

Dear all Muslim brothers & Sisters
I would like to requested to all muslim Ummah, please please pray for all muslims those who are living all over the world that……….

May Allah safe us (Muslims)from all Enemies of Islam, and protect us from thier dangers plan, and strategies,and keep away from all Skies,Earths devils and evils and satanic forces Ameen

May Allah grant us with guidance spiritual power to fight,defance angaist Enemies of Islam,Especially from America and otheres too. Ameen

May Allah forgive us from our all sins and keep us on always right direct with Kaamil Emaan till to death Ameen

Jab ZULAM had sy guzar jata hy to ALLAH ki madad mazlomoo ke shamil haal ho jati hy NAHAQ khooon ke aik aik qatre ka hisab hoga Hukmran – e – waqat sy Inshallah.

Agreed that Musharraf should not have gone up to this level. But it seems that Al-Qaeda is hitting us all over the country thanks to Mr. Abdul Aziz and Mr. Ghazi as Al Qaeda has used them as “Muhras”to play their dirty game.

By the way when Army was doing Karachi Operation in 1992, all the parties were silent. Now when it is done in Islamabad, everyone seems to be jumping.

That itself speaks about the flaws of our politicians

I can not even believe that out force can act with “Nimazi and peacefull” people in such a way. They used WP and our General says he is eleminating terrorism in our country.
can he tell us why he is so worried about Pakistan?why doesnt he give chance to others to run the country peacefully, I think it is enough now he must leave or suicide or he knows God gives a long why but pull it at any time.

Shame on you Pak Army and Predsident, you killed so many innocent people in so called Lal Masjid operation, these innocent people came there to seek the knowledge about the religion of ALLAH TALLAH and his HOLY PROPHET (SAW) but Pak Army killed them and give the statement that they all handover to their relatives.
ALLAH TALLAH is looking every thing and these peoples will get the justice at the day of Judgement.

In my views Musharaf and Ghazi brothers both are wrong. Both have the same ideology of dectator ship. Ghazi’s want islamic dectator ship and they promoted the Al- Qiada’s Agenda. It seems that they tried to capture the capital and control the whole country. But the way to tackle with them was also not fair. bcoz the step was taken by a army dictator .So the there were extermiests at the both side and the in the result their should be blunder. This type of behavior will very dangrous for Pakistan. We can lose our countary.

aslam_o_alykum …Lal masjid ke shuhda ki azmaat ko salam ..Lal masjid ke shuhda ka khoon rang laye ga …inshahALLAH …

a number of times such propagande is carried out against arrmy….now let me tell u the white phosphorous which is indicated above is something else then this…those chemical weapons are of heavy type and WP used in them is in heavy amount…this one used was smoke gernade…it is composed of WP but it only creats a smoke screen to decieve enemy about our own position and it is very commonly used in army exercises and demo’s…i wonder why such a thing was brought up without detail study…poor show who ever has made this topic

Oh my god enough is enough Mosharaf U r killing muslimes brothers sisters n childrens i hate u i hate u i hate u
n hey MUSLIMES people plz stand up n stop over the war n MOSHARAF should leave the government

its a killing act its must be investigated properly.
Dear musharaf you have to be executed either by LAW OR ………..

Dear All!
Assalam-o-aliekum

May Allah bless all of us and help us understand right and worng

When we make comments on some issue, we must talk with facts and figures

When i saw Lal masjed issue, i found Ghazi brothers openning up with a Slogan to implement Shariat. As a Muslim i love to be a part in implementing Shariat, and i think every Muslim Pakistani want a Real Islamic Pakistan.
Islamic court (court in lal masjid) stop some people which were doing non-islamic and non-humanitarian acts by themselves. On government involvement, Ghazi Brothers said to report such non-islamic and non-humanitarian acts to government legal body.

At first government seems to solve this issue by dialogue, but that effort was not in a sincere way. As dialogue always means give and take, which was not carried out.
At last government came to wipe out everything (thinking it just a bad dream).
Government think (could not prove) that there were weapons or foreigners. Question arise, if all people there were with weapons or were foreigners.
If we people would kidnapped with an aeroplane, will government use White Phosphores to kill all of us?
These question realy hearting all Pakistanis.
Pakistan Army which is the strogest Muslim Army in the world has led towards this crises. This crises would suffer Pakistan Army moral and its support throghout Pakistan and our Muslim allies.
I would appeal somebody from Pakistan Army, to get up, use your power and Implement Shariat(A rule with justise). You are Ammin for our trust and passion and are a soldier of Islam. Please condemn all such unjust, brutal acts.
I appeal all Muslims to pray for Shuhada and pray for unity and trust within Muslims.
Allah! we are weak, we are confused, we are lost, YOU are strong, YOU are with all knowledge, YOU are the RIGHT WAY, help us. Give us all blessed which were asked for Muslims by Mohammad (PBUH). Ammeem, Ya Rabul Aalameen.

Aameen SumaAmeen

I met so many shiet brothers/sisters they all favored Busharraf ..and what i have read here.. I wonder why our Fiqh-e-Jaffariah brothers are looking this sad incident in ethenic / secterian scenario…whereas the Martyers of Lal Mosque revived the Karbala… and as Allah promised “dont call them dead, they are alive…” and inshallah history will prove.. On the other hand we believe our commandos are also shaheeds.. as they obeyed the order.. and army ppl. in general and SSG people specially, are deprived of thinking by their own minds (its another kind of brain washing made by PAK Army) but for God sake,, dont give it a sectarian color.. Allah forbid us all..amen

Just For There Soul !

Best Regards,
ASiM

Chemical weapons were not used in LM, only smoke bombs and stun grenades by security forces. The militants inside were heavily armed and had committed crimes and refused to hand themselves over. After six months, the govt took action.

Those who call LM a drama and accuse the govt, are closing their eyes to the crimes and militancy that LM and the Ghazi brothers were responsible for. A Pakistani who commits crimes and terrorism is not some innocent fellow.

This activity is warns to us every muslim no safe in world please do the needful all our muslim brother when we go know, please standup every single movement, more and more pray to Allah Subhanllah o taala to forgive us our evilthings (gunah),and please whole muslim community united

Assalam o Aleikum

Aamir, you are closing your eyes by blindly follow what you have been told through government’s statements!!!! Wake up before it is too late.

This is not just a small issue, it is a serious blow to Pakistan and a big step in the fight being forced upon as Pakistanis. We are simply gonna fight each other….radical liberals (roshan khayals) and radical muslims… Where are we standing?! Don’t we need to wake up and throw the roshan khayals out and calm the radical muslims down?! Why is it happening now? These people have been there for decades. Can’t you see it is a part of bigger play…and no wonder US call this LM tragedy for an important step in this war on terrorism.

What has happened is horrible, and I would never think that our army would be such fools to do it. Regarding to chemical weapons, you do know nothing about them. Even Gen (R) Hamid Gul said that the weaponry used was heave and chemical weapons were used also. Among them shells, which spread fire in the building…which is even stated by the 30 survivors, who came out the last day!!!! They were in touch with the others through walkie talkies, as the same day as the operation, there was going to be ceremony of the end of “alima” course. 550 unfortunate souls never saw their diploma, but hopefully they are rewarded with shahadat.

Anyway,

The real problem is that majority just blindly trust what is told them…investigate yourself and find the lies of the establishment! They are simply full of BS.

I am not saying that I supported the approach of LM admin…but I am saying that the main “criminal” in this incident is not only the two brothers, but Musharaf and his so-called roshan khayal tabqa. If you just study why the peace agreement broke again and again, you will see how sincere the government was about taking the action and not solving it through peace. If you live or do have knowledge about that area, you will know that it is IMPOSSIBLE to get any weapon in without ISI knowing about it. They simply have their headoffice a stone throw away and fully control that area. Ask themselves!!!

My Dear Brother N Sisters!
main nay aap sub kay comments purhay hain LAL MASJID pur.kuch loggon ko toh dukh hoa hay but kuch kameenay kisam kay loog jo Musharaf sahib kay kutay hain unho nay khushi kaa izhaar kea hay jub tuk unkee maaeen and behnain iss tarha jul kr apni jaan nahi dayteen woh issy tarha kameenay he rahain gay.ALLAH hum sub kay gunhaa mahaf kuray oor naik rah pur chulnay kee and dosroon kaa dukh mehsoos kurnay kee hadait day.waysay 2 days before i visited G6 islamabad aap yuqeen kurain kay wahan aik ajeeb kisam kee khushboo phaili hoi hay woh shaheed Maoon Shaheed behnoon ke khushboo hay.
Thanks oor Musharaf kay tatoo logoo kuch sharm kurro

Pakis are just hindu converts and I think they should join back with India and become more like indians. Perhaps they can join with some other country because obviously they cannot function independently as their country sucks and the people leave a bad taste in your mouth. Plus Pakistanis do not have anything they can call their own. So why all the pride? Over what? Your backbiting? Your materialism? Your desire to be white and american with a moron as a prime minister who undermines his population by speaking english? Perhaps your racist and stereotypical nature? Perhaps thats why your governments sucks, its made up of you. The only people that are down to earth are the poor. They at least hold the values of humanity. So lets quit whining, have a revolution or join with some other country. And stop fighting with Indians, remember hindu converts, you stole their culture!

Dear all,
Kindly don’s send me again like this e-mail. That is the authenticity about the sick psychologically mentally level of our society.
You absolutely don’t know the entire critical ,treacherous situation. Don’t be so sentimental & emotional.
Ask from me what kind of problems we Pakistanis facing a lot of problems in ABROAD.
What you know about LAL MASJID history? Tell me? In detail what and how much knowledge you have about LAL MASJID..
Just sending only BULL-SHIT e-mail that’s all. You are answerability your odd jobs as PAKISTAN.
Kindly think 10000000000000000000 times to forward this e-mail
Thanks
HASSAN

Dear Mr.Yamin Malik,
Kindly don’t send again like this e-mail. That is the authenticity about the sick psychologically mentally level of our society.
You absolutely don’t know the entire critical ,treacherous situation. Don’t be so sentimental & emotional.
Ask from me what kind of problems we Pakistanis are facing a lot of problems in ABROAD.
What you know about LAL MASJID history? Tell me? In detail what and how much knowledge you have about LAL MASJID..
Just sending only BULL-SHIT e-mail that’s all. You are answerability your odd jobs as PAKISTANI.
Kindly think 10000000000000000000 times to forward this e-mail
Thanks
HASSAN

Don’t abuse anyone. All of us are the part of society. Everyone first correct him/herself before passing comments which is the very attitude of our nation. We all watch indian movies and enjoy their music and dances. We even knows the birthdate and wedding dates of these films stars but can you tell me about the names of Prophets mentioned in Quran. How many Hadiths you can reference by heart? Then why you curse indian for the cause of kashmir? Can you tell me how many men like to have a beard and how many women try to cover their hair and body in Pakistan as mentioned in Islam ? But here at this plate form everyone is trying to be loyal with martyrs of Lal masjid. We all are corrupt and just find sily excuses to cover our sins and try our level best to criticise others. This is happening for the last 60yrs and will keep on happening untill we uproot the main causes.

I hope all the supporters of LM get their wish granted by Allah Subhana and get to live in a Taliban land happily ever after. I donot expect them to get much time on internet though which they so wisely use supporting Mullah Ghazi and “brave” soldiers who showed such an islamic spirit of valour by holding kids as human shield. Yes thats true i m making it up right?? Lets all pray for LM supporters to get what they deserve . Inshallah

My Grand pa was soldier, My uncles were soldiers, my dad was soldier …………….and i am ashamed of it

Assalam u Allaikum

Everyone has to die one day. Its better dying (Ever Life) by fighting evil in the way of ALLAH instead of dying on bed.

May ALLAH bless all people of Lal Masjid Nannat ul Firdaus. (Ameen)

Regards

I would laugh at some of the comments if I wasn’t so sad reading them. People are so misguided, and so easily exploited in the name of religion. Suddenly, they’ve made a shaheed out of a person who epitomised the typical mullah mindset. The same person that half the people in the country were saying is wrong, the same person who was being viewed with fear since January. Ever since the lathi-brigade started their campaign, people all over pakistan were asking why the government can’t control these people who want to use force to push their views on others. And now, suddenly, he is turned in a pious man of un-impeachable character, a mard-e-momin who was fighting Islam. You guys are so fickle I would laugh at you, if I could.

If someone decides to pick up weapons and FORCE his views on others, if they kidnap citizens, take over buildings, burn government buildings, kill journalists, threaten suicide attacks (all happened before government attacked them), if you bring out rocket launchers and M-16s … and then you get your ass kicked like a dog in the street, don’t start crying. You challenged the government to a fight, not the other way around.

And stop trying to turn a vain-little, arrogant, self-righteous man who was exploiting our religion and destroying it, into a shaheed. Use ur brains, and please, for the love of god and islam, don’t let anyone use our religion to emotionally incite u into blindness.

Respected Spartacus you said, “People are so misguided, and so easily exploited in the name of religion”.
And then afterwards you presented a lot of reasons to prove typical MULLA mindset. Dear it is very much clearabout your words that actually you are being exploited by the propaganda against Islam to make people hatered from Islam an Muslims. All the reasons that you provided are now have question mark on them in current news by different media sources.
We all can comment very easily that who is wrong, but would you like to asks those parents who lost thier chldrein? Would they support Govt. who killed thier sons and daughters?
We should check ourselves as the both sides were bieng used to against Pakistan and Islam. Why are we not realising that at the moment we have our very good “FRIENDS” on both of our Eastern and western borders……
They are doing everything to make us “STRONG” and Specilly “MODERN”.
If religious people are being exploited emotionally then we can never stop them by Force. We are tasting the forse essance now days aroud the Pakistan. All these are not from religious parties, we are forgetting our “FRIENDS”.
So be patient and dont claim each other, we should try to make the envoirenment cool and calm, this require the efforts from both sides.

May ALLAH bestow all of Us with HIS Blessings and Peace
AAMIN

One of Hadith of Rasool Karim (SAW) explains that “When Almighty ALLAH is not happy with his people, HE creates a situation where these people begin to fight with each other claiming that they are on their right”.

O’ Almighty ALLAH please mercy on us.

I just found these photo’s over the internet. I am speechless !!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35181041@N00/

App sab par salamti Rahmatoo or barkatook or Allah ki aman k satth ho,
I think it was a worst action which was taken against Lal Majsid and Jamiya,

Thanks God That due to Shahadats of the innocent students under the leadership of Abdul Rasheed Ghazi Shaheed in Lal Masjid we people got unite as one nation on one point that Musharaf is the only person who is responcible for all that & he has to go,please Musharaf leave this country.

people who are writing in favour of Musharaf are innocent who donot know his targets he is playing in the hands of American & just to save his chair all doing that.

Grow up guys. The people in Lal Masjid were terrorist. They were the ones who were kidnapping ppl, killing rangers, carrying out sucide bomb attacks and bascially undermining the rule of law.

I am quite disappointed to see so many ppl favouring lal masjid. I thought most ppl were smart enough to see what was happeining but I guess I was wrong.

Everyone has to die one day. Its better dying (Ever Life) by fighting evil in the way of ALLAH instead of dying on bed.

They are the best choosen for “shahadat”

May ALLAH bless all people of Lal Masjid Nannat ul Firdaus. (Ameen)

Regards

Muhammad Awais Alla-Ud-Din

i think its all a game of power, but only the innoscent people suffer in this game, may All ah help us, guide us. Ameen.

Well Done Musharaf… This is the correct handling of so called Mullah. All so-called Mullah just need the same dose to keep peace on Allah earth and maintain the Islam.

Everyone has to die one day. Its better dying (Ever Life) by fighting evil and nowadays Mullah are the begest evil. No more Halwa Manda for Mullah….:)

WELL…..
now there is noyhing much left to say,what what ever happened was one of the greatest BADLUCK for PAKISTAN and ISLAM and the only cause behind is MUSHARAF+AMERICAN SLAVERY by our politicains

To the fashionable liberals here:: How. How the hell do you justify killing without a trial? Since when is burning porn a crime punishable by death? We all know who auntie shamim was dont we? esp. those who live in islamabad? Since when is detaining a professional prostitute for a couple of hours a crime punishable by death without a trial? I admit its a crime neverthless. But how and why do you justify this? If we start killing criminals like this lets see how many remain in this country.
Answer that and stay fashionable dammit!

Where were you when Lal Mosque people were creating fuss in cappital of Pakistan. There has to be a right way even if you want to do something. If I go according to view point of those Maulvees, “the story credit: Asma” is also not a nice lady since she is talking to na mehram people and addressing them.
Its our national habit when someone is doing something wrong, we keep quiet but when that wrong doing man is brought to justice we start creating fuss and confusion about it. Matter of fact is chaneg can never be by force. Only internal change is long lasting. Thanks

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Brothers! I cant believe that all of you support the maulvis at Lal Masjid. Just because we are practicing muslims does not mean that we support anyone with a beard who does things the way only he feels right. Islam’s image in the world has worsened. The burqa has lost respect. China our only freind has called 300 of its citizens back to China. Most of us are against Musharraf which is why we curse him for everything he did. The two maulvis in Lal masjid are responsible for the whole thing. They are responsible for the people that are dying now. They brain feed small children and women and make them do things which everyone can see is wrong. The right way todo in our society was to use personal contacts to get things done. When the person is resourceful enough to meet Osama, when the person is resourceful enough to gather so many people and so many arms. All he needed todo was to find the right people and use his contacts to rebuild the damaged mosque, use his contacts to close the brothels. The idea behind lal masjid movement was right but the execution was wrong. Musharraf had to take a step and stop it at the start of this year when the maulvis took over a public library. In my opinion his only fault is to have delayed this so much. The people inside the mosque got killed at their own will but took the lives of soldiers who were sent by musharraf to restore order in our country. I am not a big supporter of Musharrad myself but i dont approve of everything he does. Can anyone tell me a better way to have tackled this situation in the end. He gave them plenty of time to come out but they insisted on fighting with their own men/women using little kids as hostage. For me, people who knowingly do these acts are a disgrace to my religion because they make it sound as if Islam really is a religion based on the sword, blood and force. And you all know this is not true. A muslim is one who is by faith not by force. May Allah bless those who died in this unfortunate event and help the rest of us understand how to make efficient and sensible contributions to make our country and environment better and islamic, not violent, Ameen.

they should have nuclearized the bastards….friggin hypocrites who kisnap ppl in the name of Islam and terrorize ppl….kill them all I say

All this happend for saving his chair. this bastered musharaf has forgiven the mqm leader who are the kilers of thousands of people. his generals have occupied 1000’s acres of land but the fault of this madrassa was that they were neither “MAHAJERS” nor they have just occupied 1000 of kanal land but some one or two kanal of land for islamic preaching. this ahmedi musharaf is against muslims. if killer of 62 persons (waseem) is the advisor of sind govt. and every minister and governer of sind are killer and they have been forgiven what was the fault of Shaheed Abdul Rasheed Ghazi and thousands of innocent pupils. we hate pakistan army and all army generals are bastered and liable to be killed.

What kind of army is this? who is killing their own citizens instead of providing security to them yaaa this is punishment by Allah

common you people….y are you soooooooooo bothered…. oh yeah I forgot its Pakistani style…… always talk,utter and discuss after the match…..yeah I remember two uneducated guys who used to stand outside one of the shops nearby and commenting on one of the cricket matches that Pak won… wasim akram is the best bowler, his yorkers are excellent .. he is like in total control and can get anybody out whenever he wants… he is like god and can do anything…. then another day when Pak lost one of the matches I happened to be standing there for shopping and same uneducated people again commenting…. wasim is full of shit… he was drunk, he takes bribe, he plays “Jua” (gambling)….the whole Pakistani team is full of shit….. they should change the team and bring new blood…..

So wats going on here….. same thing… same old pakistani style….. one day everybody is praising musharaf.. oh thanks God he got rid of the filthy politicians, yes he is from the most respected army and paki people need Danda to do work and he is just the right guy to make things right….

then in few days, everyone is like musharaf is Kafir,,, he is against Islam….. he is etc etc… blah blah blah….. as one of the guys said above in one of the comments .. that everything you get to know is through same person or media or a forum like this one…. but there is no authenticity to anything…. nobody has no proof.. may be the fighters inside lal masjid were innocent…. may be they were some agents working for some indian or western agency trying to bring instability to pakistan… … there are many issues regarding this recent act…. but nobody knows the truth… best thing is to stop waisting time and start working harder and honestly for your country and bring some stability…

We are living in a Hell with Evil Called “Mushraf”. And also that Army not our Army they are NON-MUSLIM. If you do not believe please go there and find the name of all army man name and location you believe that I am right.

This fucking Musharraf is not playing with lived innocent people but He is responsible for loss of our Army and security Guards…

moosa ali rizvi, u’ll b soon punished by God, actually u shia pplz r bloody brothr of jews n 1 thng more u shia pplz r naturally punished by beating n cutting urself by ur own hands its really punishment 2 u by God….

All shia (Khatmal), fck u all bastards n u rizvi son of a bitch..

reading about use of chemical weapons in LAL masjid has agravated my soul further which was already depressed. Allah knows what else they might have used to conceal thousands of bodies, but the truth can’t be wiped out.. Allah is watching all the time,,inshallah iss musharraf ka jo hashar ho ga usssay b dunya dakay ge….I am really stunned to know brutality of kanjar army and its kanjar leaders towards innocent souls mostly of whom were females and childerns…ironically the opereation was done marely to please america… sham on y musharaf and army…chullo bar pani man doob maro tum sab..bagharato.. those who are still supporting musharaf and its policies they live in fool’s paradise..Surely, musharaf will have to apprear befor Allah’s court without uniform one day..

jo bhi howa acha nahi howa

Mein sirf itna hi kahoon ga ke is incident ke zimma daraan ko nateeja bhugatna pare ga. Aaj nahin to kal, InshaAllah.

AOA,

This comment is for all the shias that they are all born without their parents marriages and even they doesn’t know who is his/her father or mother …

They are born with the result of MUTAH

this is to let shia know that all shias are not muslim they are Munafiq “aasteen kay Sanp” … they killed our beloved Hazrat Hussain (RA) , they also said that Hazrat Ali was not a muslim (Naozubillah)… they doesn’t love Ahle-Bait …

I pray to Allah that the Cruel & ill mannered Mushy’s son be killed in any attack in USA so he may feel the PAIN OF KILLED SON OR DAUGHTER. May Allah protect the all the male and female students alongwith full family of Hazrat Molana Abdul Aziz and Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa. ALL MUSLIM’S WISH THAT “MUSHARRAF SHOULD BE HANGED TO DEATH”. AAMIN

I just want to say that after Lal Masjid instance, I started hating Pakistan Army. i simply hate them.

Musharaf is not the only culprit. The army which is supporting him is also the culprit…

Now all guys tell me one thing,Does Islam allows us to store weapons in mosque.Do you want to know what kind of weapons they hold.Read this thing.

The official said that intelligence agencies were shocked at the highly sophisticated and modern weapons, including bullet-proof and explosion-proof blankets that the militants in the Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa compound had, some of it even better than the gear given to Pakistani commandos.

Bullet-and explosion-proof blankets are the latest combat gear, and even the Pakistan Army has not been equipped with this protective gear. The agencies are now investigating where these militants got such sophisticated equipment, the official said.

Similarly, the militants had smoke grenades, fire grenades and splinter grenades, and dum-dum bullets, which explode after penetrating the target, causing maximum internal damage.Smoke grenades and fire grenades are not provided to the Pakistan Army as these are very exceptional, said the official.

The official said 29 of the commandos injured in the operation got their injuries from splinter grenades. He also said there was one ?accidental? suicide bombing during the operation which killed six students.

When the commandos tried to enter a room where half a dozen militants were present, one of the militants detonated his suicide jacket killing everyone present in the room, he said.
Security agencies are interrogating 12 aides of the Lal Masjid clerics at Adiala Jail in Rawalpindi about funding for the mosque and the clerics friends and acquaintances.

Arrested on July 10 and July 11 from Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa, the 12 men have also been implicated in the kidnapping of four policemen and seven Chinese nationals during the mosque?s moral policing drive.Internews

Now Tell Me didn’t Musharraf give them 1 week time.You all babbling about how innocents lives were killed.But You can’t understand they were held hostages.The last Time i checked Quran which only says Shaheed is the person who is killed by non-muslims in battle field.
But how does gun carrying men become shaheed when they were holding hostages.One main thing, how did they got those all type of weapons in the mosque.They were threating to launch suicide attacks.Also Did Islam Allows Suicide.What’s in the pride of dying a Haram Death rather using his life in more useful manner.If i recall it correctly,One of the companinons of Holy Prophet p.b.u.h become overzealous in fighting and went singly to fight many Kuffars,but Holy Prophet recall him back and told him not to do this thing because it is suicide.

Now you are bashing musharraf emotionally because he launch attacks on Lal Masjid.Now Describe Who tried to steal guns and radios from on 3rd July,my my my my my isn’t it called a theft, Who shot a Ranger,my my my ian’t it called a murder,Who destroyed the building of Minostr of Environment, my my my isn’t it call a break in where Our Holy Prophet dows’nt even break in to some bofy house rather knock three times and if there were no response go back.

Now you are bashing musharraf emotionally because he launch attacks on Lal Masjid.Now Describe Who tried to steal guns and radios from on 3rd July,my my my my my isn’t it called a theft, Who shot a Ranger,my my my isn’t it called a murder,Who destroyed the building of Ministry of Environment, my my my isn’t it call a break in where Our Holy Prophet does’nt even break in to some body house rather knock three times and if there were no response go back.

Now i will explain you tactfully rather than emotionally.

Just after 9/11 attacks,America unofficially threatened Pakistan to support her in the war on terror or be ready to bombed back in to Stone age.Now this phrase contain following possible scenario.

1.India would be given green light to attack Pakistan with American support which very advance weponary.Now Pakistan due to decade old sanctions weren’t have any thing modern in its arsenal but atomb bomb and missiles.But at this Point you will point at me that 1 muslim soldier is enough for5 or six Kuffars.Ok. if pakistan win the war then how india could allowed us to held their terrioy than how could we save are country from the flying missiles that were to be fired from missile.This all I am saying is not some thing pulled out of my ass,but chain of events that triggered after 9/11.Indian ambassodar gainning enough support form within UN and passed resolution Pak should stop Terrorist from Kashmir or else we will retaliate back just like America.

2.US will not give green light to India but rather itself bombed the whole area of FATA itself.Now i will remind you here that America has stalth plane which means it canot be located on radar and can carry up 40000 pound ammunition which is equivalent to 18,500 KG boms.Don’t believe please fell free to visit the link below to know what the heck B-2 is.

Defence Talk

Now tell me if we don’t agree with America,then what the possible heck of sensible choice were left with us???????

Now come with sensible and tactfull responses rather than emotional and full of abuses,casting doubts that even did you pass The Marticulation exam.????????

also few of you calling worse handling of the situation.Now Tell Me,didn;t goverment engage them for 6 months especially after abducting almost 10 chinese.Who initiated the whole 3rd July scenario.Now don’t become emotional here and start saying that it was statred all by the government without any Proof.The whole world saw how Bura clad womans with stick in thier hands and some men with them tried to snatch things from Police.nd when police lathi charged them Some Lal masjid people shoot them.Now Didn’t Government engage with LM for on whole week from 3rd july to 9th july..Now more intrestingly, did’nt Molvi Ghazi asked the government to give blanket clamency to all even the murders with them and also.Then we heard contradictory reports from Ghazi Brothers that they had only few rifles and guns with them,But how come they had bombs,machine guns and other sophisticated weapons.Isn’t it call a hypocrisy that too from a mullah.Didn’t The government treated the students of Jamia Hafsa and fareedia very well and gave them 5000 ruppess each.Good deeds are always mean to be forgotten quickly

Ms.Asma show me some physical evidence that White Phosphorous used other than the TALAT Hussain saying.Now the picture you present was the classic piece of astraying people from the truth.The above picture that you mentioned had high intensity flame.And you were quick in giving links from WIKIPEDIA of White Phosphorous.Did you ever done Search On High Intensity Or High Explosives Namely Plastic explosive or C-4.The picture clearly tells us that a suicide bomber blew hime self in the room and it was also mentioned in Press briefing that most of the suicide jackets were strapeed with C-4 explosives.judging by the size of romm,if such bomb explode in a small room then things will surely melt the Fan and other white appearings due to this fact.

By calling Media people in Lal Masjid,How would any one can guarantedd that they would not take them hostages as they were already holding the hostages.

As Ms.Put it in her article:

at a certain point Talat Hussain asked an accompanying Army personal about all the evidence of smoke around the area asking, “Why is there so much smoke?”, the solider replied “WP”, Talat put another question “Please explain WP?”, the solider answered “White Phosphorus

The most intrestiong part of above conversation is that Our Talat saw a lot of smock, i must emphasize that point again and as put by Ms.Asma “A lot Of somck” from which we could easily counclude that it was White phosphorus Smock.Now lets see what are its effect.

Exposure to white phosphorus smoke in the air can also cause liver, kidney, heart, lung or bone damage and even death.

A former US soldier who served in Iraq says breathing in smoke close to a shell caused the throat and lungs to blister

Link:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4441902.stm

WP smoke irritates the eyes and nose in moderate concentrations. With intense exposures, a very explosive cough may occur.WP may also cause liver, heart or kidney damage.

Source:Smae wikipedia source given by Ms.Asma.

Now by applying Same on Talat Who saw lot of smock but never had a cough or or other symptoms of WP smock.As we shall intend to forget quickly,I shall remind you once again Talat said that There were lot’s of smock.But it did,nt have any effect on him.Seems Strange.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also if i remeber correctly WP is a chemical agent and did’nt chemical agent vaporizes in to air.And alsoisn;t there were winds and strong winds during the LM seige.How come WP smock did’nt spread in to air and infects other people.Or it is a special type of smock which rather enjoy to stay in Jamya Hafsa.

What did you think Ms.Asma.Here is a claasic and my favourite quote for Ms.Asma And for other people who are ignoring the facts and rather being emotionlly very high just as some body blindly walkink on the roads of astray.

“The Fewer Facts You Have In Support Of An Opinion, The Stronger Your Emotional Attachment To That Opinion.”

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And last advice to those who want argue with me,come with strong evidence and information to refute me rather being to emotional and start swearing at me and cursing me.Then i will compel to undertsand that these guys would belong to the illiterate portion of our society.

we all pakistani request Sup.Cout to hang Jn.Musharaf, Rawalpindi Core commendor and all pml(Q)amd MQM members who involeve in Lal Masque case.

Crush Musharraf

u shais only know what we can say is wrong about lal masjid. you hate becoz you are against them becoz of your wrong and misguided leadership of ur mullahs who eat and sleep and only talk to kill muslims and then enjoy everyone who live in islamabad know the lal masjid n its positive role for islam do not blame only because u r shia ok try to understand quran and life of our beloved Prophet n believe on ALLAH ALMIGHTY what ever shias produecing against lal masjid and islam is wrong but in fact they are misguided people. Salam to Shuhudae lal Masjid and v pround on them and v muslims proud on our shuhudas like one of our beloved did that Hazrat Imam Hussain.

Mr. Rashid, the smart guy I reviewed all your comments and advice you to read this quote :
“The Fewer Facts You Have In Support Of An Opinion, The Stronger Your Emotional Attachment To That Opinion.”

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Shame on Pakistan Army. They have no courage to fight against our enemy India. (We remember what happened in past three wars with India). At the time of war with enemy, our basturds I mean our napak army (property dealers)try to negotiate through talking inspite of war. They can only show their power on innocent Paksitani people. Fist they do the same with bangalees and now they repeat it on Lal Masjid. On thing which I can say confidently that all the peoples got killed in lal Masjid are shaheeds, while the napak army people will go to Jahanam InshaAllah.

Salam!
Allah taala knows who was right and who was wrong and it will be evident on the day of judgment.
The people who died at Lal Masjid are shaheeds inshaAllah and Allah will reward them of their shahadat on the day of judgment.
The dogs of Bush, who may seem very successfull in this world, will suffer the death of a murderer and may vultures devour on their corpses.

I and every Pakistani is agree with you Ahmed.

Ahmed Get Your facts Straight.And Masood You are as ignorant as a 6 months old baby.In 1965 war how pakistan defeated.Tell.In 1971 we were lost due to the 1000+ mile distance between West and Pakistan so that we could not send reinforcements at time and we lost East Pakista.But Not West Pakistan.In Kargil Our Brave Soldeirs were Kicking the indian asses like Hitting Thief with 13 number Chappal.That’s obly because of our bastarad Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif That we backed Out.

I am smelling And Indian Rat Here Who is taking advantage of all this bashiong issue and trying to malign Pakistan.Please becareful and specially Ahmad who should open his before doing a proper search and then talk or else Shut The Fuck Uo

Now @ Mr.Abdullah who said me Clever,Tell me did you provide any evidence that can refute my claim instead of just stealing my quote and saying i don’t know about facts.Cmo’n show me your facts,Don’t talk out of your ass.You really need to educate youself.Go and do proper search on this subject before even posting it here.Fool

Masood said He and every Pakistani agree upon what Ahmed said.Show me one common Pakistani who agrees with Ahmed except you.Show the knowledge levels of yours is very Low.

All the above Quotes are saying LM guys are Shaheed.Last Time When did you Quran with Translation.Yes When did you read The Tafseer.The Quran Says Shaheed are those who got killed by the non-muslims Kuffar.Just Show The Knowledge levels of yours.Just Blindly Following The Others and not doing a proper search before even posting here

How some Posters here start to compare the Imans of people.Did they have some device that they can see the Lm guys are going towards the Paradise.How Killing A Fellow Muslim will ever lend people go to Paradise.

There are some posters who are trying to Flame sectarianism here.I told you Don’t ever bring this Shia-Sunni crap here.We are Muslims and then Pakistanis.Not shia,sunni or some thing else.

I don’t see any Knowledge able person who can refute my WP smock claims,Just bashing Army and Saying LM guys are shaheed.Shows how much they know about their religion

And Where Ms.Asma is who post this baseless and nonsense claims.I challenge her to come to this thread or any other peron who is knowledge able and refute my claims instead of ranting the sam and same charmless mantra

SHUTUP YOUR MOUTH (Mr.RASHID)
Every Pakistani people will know beeter about Pak Army Jenrals.they all are working form 1947 to till date for Amercians.shame for u gandoo Rashid.And son of Bitch RASHID what you know about ISLAM.

@ Usma

You tell me what is worth done by Our Civil Administration other fuelling corruptions and buying bungalows in Britian and oter countries.I think You have no ethics.Does Islam teaces you to abuse.This shows your ignorance towards Islam.

Assalam-o-Alaikum,
The people of Lal Masjid and Jamiya Hafza are far better then us. They all are Hafiz-ul-Quran. And at the time of operation they all in Rooza. There demamds are 100% right. They are not murderer. They are not terorist. They are good Muslims better then us. Government + Pakistan Army did a very shamefull act. They show their power against very innocent peoples inspite of enemy. Some questions if some one can give answer of them:
1) Why Government did not show there power against MQM three months back?
2) Why government has appointed ministers who are the murdere of many peoples?
3) Why Government has released 300 prisnors while highjacked a plane of PIA by Murtaza Bhutoo and gave him free passage?
4) Why Goverment gave free passage to Mian Nawaz Shareef?
5) Why Government disslove the caseses against Banazir and Zardari?

Farooq Why are you turning blind eye to Lal masjid acts,Didn’t they kill a ranger,didn’t they kill a Journalist.Ok Their demands are legtimate.But Do you Kidnapping is also A crime.Also does Islam allows weapons in mosque.Why did they bought all the weapons.Isn’t Jamia hafsa was a Educaional instituition.While You can see faults of Army And Government but can’t see the faults of LM

Dear Mr. Rashid,
I think you are also the son of some property dealer, I mean pakistan army. We can’t change your mind. Only ALLAH can change you. But please see all the things from your eyes open.

Musharaf and Ghazi are the names basically representing two institutions Military and Mosque both leaving their jobs of defence and education turning up because of thier psychological problems one(military) deprived of knowledge (always recieving commonds and the other of practice as left with theory but to experiance the change they selected a place known as Pakistan and the sufferers are poor people like students of Lal Masid and Jamia Hafsa since 1970s with different names sect, race (bangal) or ethnicity.
we must accept reality both of them are not to rule is as hard fact as pakistan is not one nation but a countary of four major and many small nationalities.

i am just ashamed of being a pakistani,O Allah give us strength to speak up against the power,Just like u did 1400 years ago.Whom v r waiting for ?

@Ahmed.I belong To A Middle class family who are living in Middle eastern Country.Give me just damn fact with proof that Jamia Hafsa People were Entirely innocent,what i say,Entirely innocent with Proof.I have you facts with proof that government were partially to blame.And you started to accuse me that I am a son Of Army Men.Come with facts to change my mind.Again I wanted to point out your ignorance and stupidity that Allah will change my mind.Allah will only change one’s mind by using his Pious man or by passing him through some testing moments.What Pakistan has gone through from 3rd to 13th july has changed my damn mind already

Anyone Who wanted to debate with me,come with solid proof and facts rather than emotional and stupid and full of abuse statments which shows you illiterate or stupid state.

Pitty on U RASHID.
or
I can conclude that your childish approch is due to continous Brain washing of Military.
Don’t be ashamed You R not the only Victum.
Military has crambled the facts and History and continously played a double cross. by propagating fictasious policies on PTV and completely reversal of all that on International front.
About the 3 famous wars.
according to neutral historians. Pak Army has initiated the war of 65 by droping commandos in Srinagar.
they have captured BATMALO the famous sector of Srinagar.
India only opened the new war field at its own convenience.
Pakistan has initiated the war for Kashmir If we won then WHERE IS KASHMIR ???????
All stories of Braveries in 65 are still waiting to be confirmed by the international historians their authanticity is a big big question mark.
In 71 as well India haven’t attacked Pakistan it had controlled the territory from september 71 through Proxy war till Dec 71 until Pakistan had launched a open attack from West Pakistan to defenf East Pakistan.
But according to Colonel Saddiq Salik Guns can never change the beleives. we have lost East Pakistan when Gen. Tikka Khan had started the Military Operation in East Pakistan.
and still Army haven’t learnet any thing from its experiences.

*Edition to Make*

There is a mistake in above post,in third line, which i like to mention.

I know that goverment is partially to be blamed but come with facts and solid proofs that Goverment were responsible for massacre.Didn’t Government five them chance to surrender.Again tell me Isn’t Pak Army muslim?????????

Abdullah,it’s pitty to see that you are ignoring facts and figures.i have based my Posts on Facts and figures.On the other hand,your Post is full of Propoganda.To hell with,if there is internet than why i would make my source of news PTV

The war is not about snatching the ground of enemy.It is about defending our motherland.In 1965,Pakistan successfully defaded it’s mother land and also snatch some land.Then how Pakistan defeated in 1965.In 1971,i accept it is incompetency of our then polticians and army men due to which we lost East Pakistan

Pak Army has the history of killing the pakies. Pak Army killed hundreds of thousands in Bengal.

Pak Army killed people in Karachi in 92.

Pak Army killed Baloch Sardar Nawab Akbar Bugti which will result in an other fall after Dhaka.

Pak Army killed 83 kids in Bajaur and hundred in Waziristan and WANA. They are brave you know.

So brave that Pak Army made the life of Dr. AQ Khan miserable and gave a message to all that don’t work for Pakistan against American interests.

Here in Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa, Pak Army had a fight with kids, women and young and these brave men of SSG killed and burnt them. BUSHARRAF said before operation “Main bata raha hoon yahan.. yeh sub surrender kar dain. nahene to maray jaein gay sub.”

Yes. If these brave men are asked to fight against an enemy, there they start a dialogue. Even if USA attacks Pakistan, they don’t even feel that the writ of the Govt. is challenged or our sovereighnity is challanged.

They are evil and the nation is to get rid of this evil very soon if the nation wants this Pakistan exist.

P.S: Please add ‘Na’ before the word ‘Pak Army’. This was ‘Silent’ in the comments like the operation in Lal Masjid was ‘Silent’

GO BUSHARRAF GO

Dear Mr. Rashid,
Lal Masjid people are shaheed because they gave up their lifes for the cause of Islam. (NOT FOR MODERN ENLIGHTEN ISLAM) We dont need this kind of BUSH ISLAM. All Pakistanis Muslim Islam is that which was completed by our Holy Prophet PBUH in 1400 years back.
First of all there is no need of Paksitan Army to do these type of acts with there own civilians. Army is for the defense of civilians.
For your information that TV reporter is killed by the bullet of Army person. That ranger was also killed by Government agency person’s bullet just to start and make the envoirnment.

Pakistan Army were killing those person to keep in mind two things:
1) To obey the order of their boss.
2) They are fighting against terorist.

Both of these logics are wrong. We are super humans. This is our duty to use our brain before doing such type of shameless acts. Suppose If jurnol said to the major to kill his father. Will that major will obey his boss. Off course not. This means that Army is totaly wrong and they will not shaheed because their objective is to obey their boss or to fight against terorism.

One more thing, who told you that The Quran Says Shaheed are those who got killed by the non-muslims Kuffar. Dear Mr. Rashid you are totally wrong. A Muslim can be Shaheed by their objectives of fighting. What are their NEEAT at the time of fighting. Please contact with some reknowned aalim.

At the time of Hazrat Ali razi Allah Taala Unho’s khilafat. He fought a war against Hazrat Ameer Maavia RA. large no. of Ashra Mubashra sahabi was in the side of Hazrat Ameer Maavia. Man was killed on both sides. Now what you think ? The people of both sides was shaheed becasue the objective of both side was for the sake of Islam. Because the neeat of both sides was correct. So please dont say next time that all army person were also shaheed.

Dear Mr. Rashid,
Lal Masjid people are shaheed because they gave up their lifes for the cause of Islam. (NOT FOR MODERN ENLIGHTEN ISLAM) We dont need this kind of BUSH ISLAM. All Pakistanis Muslim Islam is that which was completed by our Holy Prophet PBUH in 1400 years back.
First of all there is no need of Paksitan Army to do these type of acts with there own civilians. Army is for the defense of civilians.
For your information that TV reporter is killed by the bullet of Army person. That ranger was also killed by Government agency person’s bullet just to start and make the envoirnment.

Pakistan Army were killing those person to keep in mind two things:
1) To obey the order of their boss.
2) They are fighting against terorist.

Both of these logics are wrong. We are super humans. This is our duty to use our brain before doing such type of shameless acts. Suppose If jurnol said to the major to kill his father. Will that major will obey his boss. Off course not. This means that Army is totaly wrong and they will not shaheed because their objective is to obey their boss or to fight against terorism.

One more thing, who told you that The Quran Says Shaheed are those who got killed by the non-muslims Kuffar. Dear Mr. Rashid you are totally wrong. A Muslim can be Shaheed by their objectives of fighting. What are their NEEAT at the time of fighting. Please contact with some reknowned aalim.

At the time of Hazrat Ali razi Allah Taala Unho’s khilafat. He fought a war against Hazrat Ameer Maavia RA. large no. of Ashra Mubashra sahabi was in the side of Hazrat Ameer Maavia. Man was killed on both sides. Now what you think ? The people of both sides was shaheed becasue the objective of both side was for the sake of Islam. Because the neeat of both sides was correct. So please dont say next time that all army person were also shaheed. Also see and read these below web sides:

http://nawaiwaqt.com.pk/urdu/daily/july-2007/15/columns1.php

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jul2007-daily/13-07-2007/col3.htm

http://www.urdupower.org/columns/Mutfarak/main1.html

Child I am not intrested in a debate if you r prepared to keep your belives as is, no matter whats r the actual facts..

But as a elderone I would suggest u to concentrate on Subject of history.
Go about
main nay Dhakka Dobetay Dekha.
by Col. Siddiq Salik
Hamood ur Rahman Report.
Specially the chapter of Gen. Raany.
Then may be u would be able to pitch some solid thing before elders who seen all this happening.
and look Army is making the same mistake in remaining Pakistan.
I havent asked to initiate suisidal attacks against army. or havent bombed any military convey.

But the situation is alarming for visionaries.
Believes of “the son of the soil” are changing day by day.
and Anti Military Team is growing day by Day(Like it happened in 71).
Any operation and use of Power only can add fuel to this wave.

Military is not prepared to listen any visionary sugession

We can only prey

@ how do you know about the neeat of LM guys.You tend to forget How Moulana Abdul Aziz were Escaped in Burqa.Again Show me Islamically That LM guys are shahed yes Islamically.But If you are using word literaray which givivg life for a cause then it i will also call all Army men who gave their lives Shaheed

Guy I thing we are going way of track .In my personal opinion there was no chemical weapons were used . I might be wrong. There is no denying the fact that what happened was truly injustice. There is no explanation in killing our own people and for that we have to blame Pakistan army. Or Gen Perwaz Mushraf regime.

We are extremely sorry for what ever happened. I ll not call names to army or mushraif coz I think by discussing them there sins will become less.

I just wanted to say kay hum saab ko itjamai toba kernee chaheya .so that hum in hukamrano say najat palain.and I pray kay jo be shaheed howay hain Allah un kay darjat buland karay.Aameen

Ok this thread is about LM and how situation was handled.Not about 65,71 wars.If you want to beabate on this wars then open an other, then i will happily reply you there,Until Then Stick To the Topic

Do you mean Yazid’s Army was SHAHEED?

Rashid:
If Army official gives lives fighting against the external enemies they r shaheeds.

if they are killing the son of the soil to capture their land like happened in Bangal, Balachistan, Waziristan, LalMasjid , then they r not.
Freedom fighter who r fighting on their own land for their rights are shaheeds.

What Army is doing these days can’t suit on a Muslim Army. I have serious doubts to mention it as Muslim Army.

Ali on,why don’t you condemn The LM behaviour which they continue to show from 3rd july until end.Didn’t Government try to negotiate with them in every possible way.How the hell gun trotting people Become innocent people.They were mad.Holding hostages which were women and children.

Rashid.

WOW you have really spammed this blog to WAZOO, with so many repeated comments – quite literally repeating your arguments over and over again as if to indicate you are too confused to carry on a coherent discussion – I don’t mean to attack you but so many comments actually discredit your own argument as no one would really read the 25+ comments made by a die-hard-musharraf fan called Rashid. Friendly advise, next time be concise to the point and For God Sake write all your thoughts in ONE SINGLE POST maybe composing them in Word before pasting it here, then wait for others to react then RESPOND.

Now on to your arguments – Your attitude towards the army is commendable and quite a number of people are still hanging on to the old army thread abd hence this point of view needs to be carefully understood. I only get the feeling that you are living in a fools paradise, the seven year rule has proven yet again for the upteenth time that Army dictatorship has done NOTHING to improve our country, all it has done is to make these Jarnals real estate mafia.

The Lal Masjid incident as I have noted that Musharraf ‘had’ to do it but the annhilation could have been far better orchestrated – rubber bullets, tear gas, stun grenades.

This hostage situation is nothing different then an Aircraft Hijacking, which has been researched to a far better outcome minimizing loss of life. I just feel Musharraf had to SILENCE everyone inside and the events after then incident portrayed an attempt to quickly cover up the evidence.

You may be valiantly trying to defend the army – but there are a lot more questions then answers – and sadly you living in the middle east may have little idea on the actual pulse of a nation going through the crisis

Abdullah:

Now tell Me Why did LM need weapons,From the cache of weapons captured from LM,it looks like they were collecting it for months.Again You didn’t give proof from Quran that LM guys are Shaheed.

Now debating On Waziristan Situation. Doesn’t your narrow mind told you that AMERICA WOULD ATTACK WAZIRISTAN IF Pak Army werent there,They will bomb the people freely.

@ Teeth Maestro:

How could Pak Army used the rubber bullets stun grenades if LM guys were using Machine Guns,rocket Launchers.It’s Really a Stupid remark you make and shows that how much do you know about the situation

Rashid,

Does it mean Pak Army bomb then instead of US:-)

or Pak Army’s job is to safegaurd the country. They should stop Americans from any such attacks. If US still attacks, Pak Army should retaliate.

Wajid Malik Use Your Sense.How can we allow Fighters from our to go in to Afghanistan.This will give America another pretext to attach Our Tribal Areas.

Why are you forgetting that America will attack FATA areas with Stealth aircraft and Missiles launced from safe distance form with in Pakistan.And Pak Army will Never Know from where it is hit.Because it don’t have means and devices to track such things.

Sorry made some mistaks in my above Post

1.Safe distance from with in Afghanistan Not Pakistan
2.Attack not attac
3.Fighters from our Area

Ah Rashid U r a kid……
U r claiming u know the situation sitting in Middle east.
And me while sitting in G-6 not?????
I can only laugh on you…..
We have spots of Army bullets in our houses. We have picked army bullets from our office rooms.
How sickly army had behaved.
when their is relaxation in Karfew army stoped firing there was total peace not a single fire from LalMasjid.
when Army attack or bomed the Mosque only then there was resistance.
But I am sure I am talking to a real Dumb machine.
or a real fool.
Have u gone through the Urdu phrase “Bhans kay aagay been Bajana.”

Rashid – one does also have to put into context the build-up to this day, its been going on for 6 months and ‘right under their nose’ literally speaking.

We all know Musharraf is in power becuase of 9/11 remains in power as every few months he pleases his Lord at the White House by fighting terrorism, which he had to, hence his agencies were monitoring everything going on in the Islamic Madrassahs. I feel that it was a deliberate plan to allow the creation of this insurgency so that in a few months he could use it to squash the fly and show the hide skin on the world media awaiting a much needed pat on the back.

had if not the year of 2007 gone sour for Musharraf I suspect he could have pulled a winner out of the hat on this one, the nation is squarely divided on the LM issue but it has been tainted by the poor public support for Musharraf in light of the CJP issue and May 12 – many people now suspect him as the do-er of all evil.

your argument about Rubber bullets – well taken, I have repeatedly suggested that the army had to take them down at all costs, they did, but the aftermath shows that it was ruthless killing, using WP to burn people alive is the creulist crime that you could do to your foe, and hence best left when fighting a war, NOT to be used in a stake-out of your own people. Cold hearted. There is no doubt we suspected many deaths, but why the rush to bury them, why not hand the bodies to their loved ones to allow them time to heal. Why the quick burial, why has the cemetery been cordoned off under strict army patrol. All this goes to show something fishy, and I suspect, like many that it was more a massacre then anything else.

Oh,What a Hypocrite post you made Abdullah.What A Lie,That Lm Only fired when Army Fired.Then Is GEO,ARY and AAJ were telling a lie that Army only responds when LM fired at them

Rashid – THINK carefully what Abdullah says

” U r claiming u know the situation sitting in Middle east. And me while sitting in G-6 not?????”

Ironical ain’t it.

Rashid

I agree to you here:-)

You can just fight against weak and bow in front of the powerful. Pak Fauj haaaaaaaaaaaaah. Cowards.

Is this the teaching of Islam?

@Teeth Maestro,So as GEO,AAJ and ARY reporters were also in G-6 sector and were giving up to date information and rumours.Where As Abdullah were sitting in his house and or coming out of house after Curfew and observed things only which has been passed

@ Wajid Malik,You Tell me the solution,only sitting after the computer and and talking about fighting,having no idea what’s the situation on ground.

Rashid,

I have been in uniform myself till 96 and I know what is Army supposed to do when the country is attacked.

I tell you this Army is just working for US and they will even attack Ka’aba if asked by US.

Bhei if Pak Army will not attack Ka’aba then US forces will do. So better attack there ourselves:-)

What a great logic!!

We should be ashamed of our coward thinking.

Guys,I want to clear one thing,from my above posts,you feel that i am pro-musharraf.That’s wrong,utterle wrong.I am totally Neutral.Neither supporting him nor opposing him.I totally loyal to my Motherland.which is the god gifted thing for me.

I Know healthy debates are good but it should not pernit us to produce grudge between us.Long Live Pakistan

Well lets c wat is happening now…
Aunti Shamim n her business is not affected.
Chainese massage centre is working un affcted.
ho suffered ?? ppl ho were disturbed by the business of Aunti Shamim,(Residence of G-6), ppl ho tried to stop that business (students). Shame on our deeds n more on our Army’s deeds.

Pakistan Army confronted and destroyed the violent fanatics inside the Lal Masjid. That action restored peace and law to Islamabad. Inshallah more such acts will restore peace and law to Pakistan itself.

You all can ignore the crimes and the violence of the Lal Masjid Brigade, that is your cowardice.

Aamir Ali,

Are you a SHIA?

I think We are humans first and who ever is killed especially like the ones in Lal Masjid, we should feel sorry for that as humans atleast.

Those VIOLENT FANATICS didn’t hurt any one. They picked Aunti Shamim, Chinese and policemen. Ask any lawyer about its legal position.

Can any sane human think that punishment of these crimes is such brutal, crual and inhuman?

May Allah guide us!

Dear All,
Abdullah is very right. I also live in G-6. We are very close with the LM then the media persons. We listened while sitting at our homes each and every bullet fire. Abdullah is very right. We only heard the fires of Army bullets becasue LM have only small weapons.
OK suppose if they have rocket luanchers then why dont they hit only single chowky of Busharafs Army.

According to me all these things happend either in LM, Wana, Bajoor, Wazeeristan. I totally condem against the act of Busharaf’s army. This is all because of Busharaf’s very wrong policies. The only solution is to sit togather and ammend the policies for the benefit of people of Pakistan not for the benefit of Bush.

Mr. Shaheed on July 18th, 2007 at 1:15 pm # written a comment that “I cannot do any thing… but this all is becuase of Basturd, DOG, and KHENZEER Musharaf.”

Pleae dont say DOG to Musharaf because if DOGS will read this they will mind it.

I am not a Shia or Sunni nor a muslim but I follow the followers of a great relegion which has worst followers. It seems Pakistan see it self as savior of all Muslims in the world but hey the fact no muslim countries like Pakistanies try to get a visa for so called brotherly countries, cause pakistani preach killing other ppl and themself to go to Janna cause this the only way to go their as all their life they do anti muslim things. Look inside you honestly do you really follow love peace and tollarance preached by greatest man ever borned and whoes preaching spread on all coners of the world. West has found a new and cheaper way of destroying muslims make them fight each other. show a cartoon and they will bomb each other. Pakistanis kill any one who does not agree with their point of view and call them pigs kafir etc and lol they talk about democracy.

Salam

Agreed with Ahmed on the fact that, if Lal Masjid students had rocket launchers why didn’t they fire them, or they were only keeping them as decoration pieces.
Totally agree with Teeth Maestro that why was Govt. in a hurry to bury the bodies and till date have not issued any list of lal masjid students that where they are, wheteher in jail, in hospital or are dead.
The demands of Lal Masjid people i.e. implementation of Islamic law in Pakistan which was the idealogy behind the creation of Pakistan, stopping of brothal houses and liquor bars and selling places, stoping the evil of FAHASHI that is spreading fast especially through media, were absolutely right and no muslim can deny it. It is only that their way of going about these demands was not correct and they were warned many time by their fellow ulemas (not the political ulemas) about it. Still the crimes they commited were not so big to be punished like this.
They picked up the woman running a brothal on the complain of residents of the area, against whome a FIR was filed in 1998 but Police never did anything. They brought her to the Masjid, instructed her to stop doing this act and stop ruining lives and then released her, thats it. They picked up chinese from their massage centre where they were commiting sexual activities, brought them to Masjid, instructed them to mend their deeds and released them, and thats it. Girls from Jamia Hafsa came out on streets with sticks to protest against the policies of Govt. i.e. giving license to selling SHARAB, and in favour of their demands. Those girls didn’t hit a single person with their sticks. Students of lal Masjid never threatened or broke any video shops they only visited such shops and requested them switch to some Halal bsiness, they even offered them a compensation if they want to switch to a new business. One of the shop keepers burnt his CDs in honor of the request of these students and switched to property business. That shop keeper was asked about the worth of his business so that the same could be paid to him and was paid Rs. 300000 as compensation on his own given estimate. This news was published in newspapers but was never aired on electronic media. Imam Abdul Aziz received many complaints from poor people who had their daughters kidnaped for ransom, and Police was not doing anything. Lal Masjid administration paid the ransom money and recovered many such daughters and sons of poor.

Now can anyone justify the brutality act of Govt. and army againt Lal Masjid. Was there any need to invlove Army here.

Allah Taala forgives a person who recites Kalma-e-Shahadat while dying. Maulana Abdul Rasheed Gahzi, during his last conversation on phone with the media just moments bfore he embrased shahdat, said “My mother got shot while lying on her bed and is dying and I am with her (he was with his mother when she was shot, this proves that army had entered the place where they were hiding he was certain about his death) I know that my shahadat is confirmed now and I want to convey this message to all that i only faught for implementation of Islamic shreea in pakistan and this is the only reason and way Pakistan can survive in future.” Thus conveying his neeat while he was seeing his death in front of him which confirm his shahadat. As all the students were there to help this cause thus showing their neat and confirming their shahadat.

I would not comment about Army’s deaths as they are also muslims, although their neeat (objective) and especially Musharaf’e neeat (objective), whome they were supporting, behind this operation is quite clear.

May Allah Taala help us to ditinguish between Right (Haq) and Wrong (Baatil) and may Allah Taala give us the courage to support Haq once its been revealed upon us.

I have doubts that these images are true ….. at least two images are fake. Musharraf did the right thing by killing these mentally sick people.
Other wise they could have killed us all.

I totaley agree with Mr.Malik and Abdullah.
Mr. Rahid i dont want to use any bad word about u, Inshallh we pray for u that ON THE DAY OF JUGMENT YOU WILL STANDUP WITH,MUSHARAF,BUSH AND KOFARS,AND JOWESH (Aamen)

the above pray for Mr.Raisd and also for Mr.Ali Zafer

The allah is mose wiser and mose merciful than you think Mr.Umer AKA stupid.Only make some few pro government comments and here started to pray that i will be with Kuffars.Really show the religious knowledge of yours and also highlights you ignorance stupidity.

We should Thought about What Paul Jarvis said.Ek Goray nay hamay face per mirror dekha kar chala gaya hay aur think karnay kay bajay hum idhar budwayyan mang raha hain.What a Sham!!!!!!!

Mr. Rashid How smart you are, not to stay at any point.
Any way U keep your belives but firmly. Modren days support and votes are equavelent to old islamic Bait.

I support (vote) Iman Hussain and after them Mujahideen inshallah Allah will raise me with this Group.
and for U Mr. Rashid make your self that strong to say U beleive in Musharaf regime and want your end judgement with Musharraf.
Cause after the bait(vote & Support) individual is responsible for all the acts of leader before GOD on the judgement day.
and thats why Iman Hussain accepted the shahadat of whole family and opt not to vote(Bait) Yazeed.

Jin logon nay Lal Masjid per yeh Zulam kiya hai wo Allah k AZAB say kabi nahi bach saktay.

Mr.Abdulla.I have already told you i’m not a supporter of Musharraf.I will votw to Imran Khan If he Stood in next Elections, Inshallah.

Mushraf is behaving like the USA agent
Toni, Karzi,mahmood abbas and Mushraf all woking on predfined usa plocies

Mushraf is behaving like the USA agent
Toni, Karzi,mahmood abbas and Mushraf all woking on predfined usa polocies

Previously the slogan was “Pakistan Zinda Baad”.

Now after the Enlighten Islam of Busharaf this slogan is changed. It becomes now “Paksitan say Zinda Bhag”.

Mr. Rashid. I feel very happy that you will vote for Imran Khan in next election. I think we all people will try Imran Khan this time.

Same will happend with Bilal
Inshllah

Mr. Rashid,

It is nice to see that you will vote Imran Khan in this election. I think we all must give vote to Imran Khan this time.

Rashid:
Then Stop defending the Shime NaPak Army and Busharaf.
This Regime has put us back in the fix of 71.
(By thinking they r the only loyels of Pakistan and killing and torturing the Sons of the Soil).
Just Prey Allah will make some way out.

Whatever happened was wrong. But I think the image is fake as the time mentioned is of 2004 and how did you get this Pic.

Also, PK belongs to the people of the country not Musharraf or whoever. So why blame the country, blame the person.

After reading all comments and the comment from shia party I am strongly believe that all shia r monafiq. If u read the sora-e-monafiqoon in para 28 than u will find that all habits of monafiqeen has mentioned in ayaats r in all shias. So all muslims be careful from these people.

Shame on Mr. ommer abubaker’s comments…What kind of a forum is it whiere SECTS are discussed and critisized???… Who is near n close to ALLAH n who isn’t and a munafiq…its not YOU and ME to decide about that…n how can you say just on the basis of SECT that we should keep ourselves away n beware of that person???…ALLAH is the one who is looking EVERYONE and who is to decide EVERYTHING…Anyhow about you….Totally SICK comments n mental attitude

In Iraq when Fighting with collasion forces in Najaf and at Roza-e-Ali when shia people fought under the command of Muktada-as-sader and defined a new story of bravery.
We the suni people strongly supported them and now we support the firm stand of IRAN against USA.
So we expect the same suport from Shias when sunni muslims changled the U.S.A and its Pakistani agent.

Musharuf should leave dictatorship to save humanity. what he is doing……… killing his own people…… people of pakistan. people of pakistan r killed by Musharuf and govt people for american cause.
O Allah bestowed us a sincere Leader.

Musharaf ki tashreef pe jootay lagnay chahiye phir yeh theek ho ga.

Is musharaf ki to na………

Bhaio, Musharaf sahab ko kuch na kaho. Musharaf sahab meray abbu hein. Un ke baray mein koi ghalat baat nahin karni warna MQM ko tum loug abhi jantay nahin ho.

Instigation and division… thats what Musharaf has created successfully amongst us. On Religious and Regional lines. Because thats the only way a person without any public mandate can rule for as much as he wants.
Among the debris of this chaos, the biggest casualty would be to think of whole Pak Army as an anti nation force. Rememeber the facts :
Lt Col Haroon Islam died while trying to release women and children out.. Has any one person here thought of how his two daughters would be feeling right now reading all this emotional deliberations void of any .
The army is run by some 25 secular wine popping Gernals whose policies are causing distrust and anarchy even among the army officers and jawan.
SO instead of blaming the whole .5 million soldiers who hve and can lay their lives for this country, its time to abolish this unfounded drawing room chat and get realistic.

I am with LaL Majjid internals. Because their demand were correct but govt doesnot apply islamic rules to pakistan so they use other method. Lal masjid internals does not kill any one but only saw correct way.People are also wrong no one want to left cd’s or other bad things like cable.So if any of mudrasa or masjid show or nafiz correct islam it does not mean to kill them like this that r appear in pictures.
Musharaf should answer to murder 1300 people in masjid and in wazeerristan.
MY pray for Shaheed Abdul Rasheed.

MUJAHIDEEN OF ISLAM.

PLZ CHECK OUT WHO IS THE OWNER OF THIS WEB SITE? WHO IS RUNNING IT?

I AM SMELLING SOME OF THE NEIGHBOURS OF PAKISTAN, WHO NEVER ACCEPTED THE CREATION OF PAKISTAN, IN ACTION HERE.

AND SHAHEED ABDUL RASHEED, IF YOU CHECK OUT THIS DRAMA IN ITS ENTIRETY, YOU WILL SEE THAT SHAHEED GHAZI HAD A NEW STATEMENT EVERY DAY. HE WAS BLUFFING ALL THE TIME.

A SHAHEED TELLING LIES!!!!!

TELLING 300 DEAD PPL ARE LAYING INSIDE THE MOSQUE. WHERE THEY WERE GONE??

TELLING THAT THOUSAND FEMALE STUDENTS ARE STILL THERE BEFORE THE NIGHT OF OPERATION BUT NOW THE ATTENDANCE REGISTER SHOWS THAT IN TOTAL THERE WERE AROUD 1200 FFEMALE STUDENTS.

I RESPECT THE FEELINGS OF THE PPL ABOUT LAL MASJID BUT PLZ DONT IGNORE THE FACTS.

MAY ALLAH GUIDE US ON THE WAY OF THOSE WHOM HE FAVOURED WITH HIS BLESSINGS. AMEEN!

PLEASE CORRECT IN THE LAST POST.
IN THE PREVIOUS POST IT IS 2 THOUSAND ISTEAD OF THOUSAND

I noticed that many of us on this forum are into shia and sunni debate.That’s absurd.This is not a sectarian issue.Its about two extremely influential clerics who were planted and later used by the shadows that lurk the corridors of power when required.
Ghazi Sb did die a valiant death but notice how dumbfounded he was when Army started its operation.He thought he would get away with all the Fatohaats he was achieving through band of fools around him who thought they are part of Lashkar of Khalid(RaziAllahtala).
They fired the first shot on Rangers and foolishly tried to justify that Rangers were too close to Lal Masjid and they(THE MUJAHIDEENS)got”IRRITATED”!!
Then look at Mr.Abdul Aziz!First he runs away in Burqa and then he appears on TV in Burqa!If his faith was so strong he should have resisted appearing on TV.Now he waves “V” while appearing in court.These people support muslim killing another human being because that poor soul does not agree on their brand of Islam.We are living in a Muslim Country and we have guards outside our mosques!!!Mullahs were fighting for the piece of land they unlawfully occupied like so many others like them whom we call Kabza Mafia.And to fools who think Shariah will ever be enforced in Pakistan ;”which shariah are we talking here?Ahle Sunnat?Ahle Hadees?Wahabism?DeoBandi?Fika Jaafria?
We cant even pray in one mosque because eventually we will debate if Allah is sunni or shia or wahabi!!

Omer and Khalid,I agree with you guys that WP is used as a camouflage and its smoke because of its weight remains in air much longer.

It was a full scale war and both sides used what was available to them.Result: Gruesome scenes some of which are available on this site.

Most of the people who are jumping in emotions about the debacle of Lal Masjid dont even what was actually happening there since last 6 months.

Govt.did showed maximum restraint.It took a decision.I remember that Ghazi Sb said that if LM was attacked , his Suicide Bombers will attack Islamabad.

Well they did and who did they kill??Baal Thakuray?Advani??Salman Rushdie??or a single soul like them??

No Fools!! They killed Muslims and above that, they killed innocent Humans!The blast in Kohat Cantt;Bomber blows himself while he too was standing in the first saff.

Mr.Abdul Aziz: It was a job well done that your Azeem Mujahid kills 14 Namazis including 2 children.Shame on you!!!

WP is not a chemical weapon.One used in LM is used as a smoke bomb.

It was a full scale war and both sides used what was available to them.Result: Gruesome scenes some of which are available on this site.

Most of the people who are jumping in emotions about the debacle of Lal Masjid dont even what was actually happening there since last 6 months.

Govt.did showed maximum restraint.It took a decision.I remember that Ghazi Sb said that if LM was attacked , his Suicide Bombers will attack Islamabad.

Well they did and who did they kill??Baal Thakuray?Advani??Salman Rushdie??or a single soul like them??

No ppl!! They killed Muslims and above that, they killed innocent Humans!The blast in Kohat Cantt;Bomber blows himself while he too was standing in the first saff.

Mr.Abdul Aziz: It was a job well done that your Azeem Mujahid kills 14 Namazis including 2 children.Shame on you!!!

Here is the proof for why i was supporting the rulers of Pakistan yet i dislike them.This is the hadith Of Holy Prophet(P.B.U.H).Think deep What our holy had Said.

” “It is your duty to listen and obey your rulers whether you are in difficulty or at ease, whether willingly or unwillingly and even when you do not receive what is your right.” (Muslim: No. 1836)

i am so sorry at this ,infact i think its all coz of President Musharraf.

Very Bad Condition.Only Govt. & President Musharraf safe Our Sites.No any Other Reason.

Here is the proof for why i was supporting the rulers of Pakistan yet i dislike them.This is the hadith Of Holy Prophet(P.B.U.H).Think deep What our holy had Said.

” “It is your duty to listen and obey your rulers whether you are in difficulty or at ease, whether willingly or unwillingly and even when you do not receive what is your right.” (Muslim: No. 1836)

Follow it if they are on Islam too.

Mr Rashid U have just quoted the Hadith but forgot the context where it is applicable.

By the way who are supporting the bastered [NA] PAK ARMY shouldnt foget that if they really dont want any clash what they only need to do is to surround LAL Masjid and stop supply of any thing.Matter could be resolved very easily.
For proof German Army defeated in Kremelon Square [Russia] in second wolrd war the same way. The allies cut the supply.

There are 6 nations in Pakistan
Panjabi
Sindhi
Pathan
Balochi
Mahajir
PAK Army

Pak Army since 8 Lac Armay , 5 dependent per person so 40 Lac population of Army’s UNSKILLED labour.
only know about how to kill people on their Master Will.

Every thing has been fininshed; Pakistan, Pak Army, Ulmas, Moderates, Extremists, Religion, patriotism, sovereignty, Politicians. I pray to God for the restoration of all above.

hum sab apnay apnay gerayban main jhankay…Nabi (S.A.W.A.S) Say mohabat or muslim honay ka dawa kertay hain..per keya hamari namazain waqt per pori hoti hain,,..keya hamnain nabi ki sonat ko apnaya..ham darhhi rakhtya howay shermatay hain…lanat hay hum sab per…sab khod ko deen per chalnay ki fikar karain,,…or tobba karain na keh lal masjid discuss…..As well jo kisi bhi sahaba kay baray main boghaz rakhta hay woh monafiq hay…agar koe kisi bhi maslak ka sahaba say (kisi aik say bhi) nafrat karay osskay jhanam raseed kernay kay leay ham taeyaar hain …agar sheya tamam sahaba say dil say mohabat kertay hain (including abbu baker, omer or ma’aaweya R.A.T.A) to woh pakka muslim hay..other wise monafiq…mind it

Shame of our forces and evey single personal who was involved. Its bullshit that army person has to follow the order, Allah has give brain to think. Shame on Pakistan Army they are murderers without doubt, every single one of them.

Mush is son of _ _ _ _ _ he should be thrown to some hungry pigs.

Cool down, Pakis. You’ve encouraged radical islam and it is only fair that you get a taste of your own medicine. It is time to realize that humanity takes you far and turn around towards peace.

Janab “ommer abubaker” sahib…Ap theek he kehte hon ge…Jannat or Jahannum ki takseem shayed issi liye ALLAH ne apne paas rakhi hai k agar…woh bhe insanon ko de deta….To pata nahin KAYEE LOAG kia ker guzarte

everybody is keep on saying ’shame on army n all’….y don they think that shame on such mullas…who r so selfish n cruel that using gals n women to blackmail government….
n wat they are teaching in madrassas is clear from this action..n i support government for wat it did….n i wish that i shud keep on teaching to hommade mullas…

I think Sana you really are watching a lot of PTV these days, or may be ur a daughter of some BOOT ‘Pakistan Army Personnel’.

Is this really justice to what those people were doin at Laal Masjid?? Can u justify this horrific act in any way? I think you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

I would agree wid Imran…and this governemnt of ours is not just cruel its vry cruel.even at the time of Nawab Bhugtis murder…the dead body wasnt handed over to the relatives…and army was there ,even after causing alot of destruction..

Musharaf is a sold out haaram ka pilaa. He’d sell his own mother for 5 dollars. Suar ka bachcha won’t live long. Just a mater of time before one of brave mujahideen takes him out. Allah will burn Musharraf in eternal hellfire.

“Allah has give brain to think.”
If muslims had brains they would not be following the Arab culture.
Ask yourself if ISlam is anything but
Arab Imperialism.Britishers only colonised you physically but Arabs have colonised you mentally .Not only you but all your subsequent generations.Think!

I read some comments here, some very much disagreeable and very few, a bit agreeable, as the one up saying islam is nothing but arab imperialism, and i will add, an imperialism from the most uncivilized people. And ya not to forget about one comment with the person name Pashton, extremely irrevelent to Pashtuns. Celebrating diversity and respecting the difference is in the blood of Pashtuns. Pashtuns don’t hate somebody just because their noses are long or they speak in foreign language or their differnt skin colour or because of the religion they follow and different view point they have. Tolerance is in their blood. Pashtuns are the most beautifuly and asthetically cultured, tolerant and civilized people, secular in nature. Alas they are labled very dirtely, with the help of these extreme religious extremist, the money they get for it from various fanatic resources. Pashtuns are probably passing through the most fragile point of their 5000 yeasr history, and they will have to think very much logicaly whether to join these extrem fanatics in serving a 1400 years old religion or may i call arab culture, the most uncivilized people or to join hands and serve and make secure their 5000 years old culture, the most beautiful and asthetic, which celiberates diversity and respect difference and is secular in nature and blood. I hope that being logical they will go for serving and securing there 5000 years old and one of the most beautiful culture of the world.

Abdul Bari Jehani says:

“Dar speelanay de shama zama be sakhtana khalkoo
Zama daree waree mayne zama be watana khalkoo”

“May i burn my self into smoke, for you my Godless people
My destroyed and ruined home, my homeless people”

I’ll say all sheeya party to pleaseeeeeeeeee check their concept of hatered with sahaba razi Allah -0- taa’alla. what ur religion or firqa basically teaches u . Dont u have mind? Agar sahaba main koe ikhtalaf tha bhi to woh aik taraeeqay per tha..nakeh aik dosray ko galian daytay thay woh..wt sheyaa party does for several sahabaas n oma-hatol-momeneen hazrat ayeesha (R.A.T.A). Hazrat Abu baker, Omer, Usman , Ali (R.A.T.A) all were great friends of each other. And also ur concept keh 30 paray Quran kay Hozor (S.A.A.W.W) per or 10 (naaozobillah) hazrat Ali per otray hain..plzzzzzzzzz ankhain kholo or toba karo…

I think we need to change the name of our army from PAK army to NAPAK army… NAPAK army and Musharraf is their NAPAK leader, NAPAKS entered LAL masjid with the same reason what America had before entering IRAQ… oh they have weapons of MASS destruction… and now they are befooling the nation by showing burnt rooms… Melted FANS and safe and clean hand grenades… I don’t know since our child hood we had heard a lot about our commandos that they can even enter into a plane and can rescue 50 passengers after killing all the terrorists. The worst example of what our commandos did can be explained in a joke…. “ One person who was travelling with his family got robbed by a group of people on his way to home…. They looted all the money he had…. Killed his sons and raped his daughters and wife… When that person reached home… every body asked him do you have anything left that could have been saved…. He from a hidden pocket in his pant took out a pistol ironically and said thank GOD, I saved my GUN…..
Our Commandos and Medias for 1 week made the whole nation stupid by saying that there are children and women inside the mosque whole militants are not letting them come out… Ok for a minute we agree to what our government channel was saying…. But when out commandos were sent in side… were they not told by PTV that there are kids and women that you need to save from all the militants and bring them out alive.
Reaction of what our army did will be faced by whole nation for years… I think we as a nation need to stand at one point. Particularly, by boycotting the taxes in the coming fiscal years with the reason that we don’t want to feed this bloody army whom we fed for sixty years not for purchasing chemical weapons and using it against your own public. If you hire a watch man or keep a dog to watch out your house…. Will you accept when he starts biting you and stop biting your enemies…. Musharaf is heading the dogs and himself is a bulldog….
We as a nation are dead… and when a nation is ready to accept a Brutal Bull Dog…. ALLAH keeps on imposing him and at times replaces one brutal with other brutal like what happened in IRAQ … Unless we stand as one nation and accept it from the core that we will not have a dictator who is the enemy of ALLAH and ISLAM… We also have to Fix our army by saying them you Bastards get paid not to Bark on us … You hold no importance in this country other than KUTTAAY….
If you cant protect us…. Don’t destroy us…. Because any given day when we stand as a nation…. Hum TUM SUB KO INSHALLAH JOOTAY BHI MAARAIN GAY….

HUH…. FROM
A citizen of pakistan… who virtually cried for days for what they did in LAL MOSQUE…. I tell you…. Its about time we say TOBA and seek refugee from ALLAH

Well said Farrukh ….. I fully Support you!!!!

” Pakistan Army ” …. In the past this name sounded so respectful and symbol of peace for every Pakistani. We as a youth wished to join this esteemed organization… But since last few years… what this “uniformed terrorist” are doing made all the respect and dignity vanished from the mind of people of Pakistan. . . No war is ever “won” by our so called “guardian’s till now. Our 75 % taxes are going to this bullshit “safety” thingy….. whereas , what we are getting is “killing of our own civilians from these “uniform terrorists”…

Why is all this happening !!!! the answer is “wrong leadership”….. since this Bull dog (as mentioned and explained very well above by Mr. Farrukh) is the head of this organization.. and he is a self centered and greedy person.. who is just caring for his own interest… not/not the interest of the county which is “feeding” him since he was NOTHING at all… just a peace of shit as told by himself on his book…. this is the reward he is giving back for all the money we Pakistani’s have given him and his organization since 1947 in the form of taxes…

Musharaf….. remember one thing….. the first night in the grave would remind u each and every step you have taken since now.. and trust me u would really really really regret that you were blessed an opportunity by our ALMIGHTY to make this country a better nation…. but oh … for you Almighty is “USA”… which can tear ur ass in one second.. and you know that very well.. but trust me Musharraf… USA wont help you in the next life.which would be forever.. when you would be thrown to Hell… I am sure u would enjoy your day and nights with that bastard BUSH… burning in fire…

U still have time P. Musharaf….. step back and give Pakistan in real good hands… not to those who are with you coz of NAB cases … and its better to do “ONE GOOD JOB” in your life which could save your ass in the grave…….I wonder if you r a muslim… then how can you sleep at night after doing all this….

I hope you don’t like to go from this life like Gen Zia Ul haq… !!! do u !!

SHAME ON YOU…. and also your mother who gave birth to bastard like you and given you such training/brought up…and till now never advised you that what you are doing is not the way a muslim should adopt….

Allah hum sub k haal per Rahem Farmaye
Jub tek education level increase nahi hoga
yeh jahalat k karnamay chahay govt k hon ya phir nam nihaad mazhabi jamato k k raw k agent jo k mazhab ki aar main maasoom logon ka brain wash kartay hain, or phir unko apnay maqasid k liya istimal kartay hain
pata naheen hamaray karnamay kub a.say hongay k Allah Taala hem per apnay rahem or karam ki barish karega

Im not with Musharraf n niether the LM ppl..no Doubts Innocents were killed but not because of the Government just because of there own leaders in Lal Masjid. The Government gave plenty of time to serender but they were forced to stay there n im sure u all know the Well Known Ayat ” LA IQRA FID DIN” which means “din main koi zabardasti nahi”
many of the ppl innoocents were forced to there just because of of there parents or sooo…
u ppl say the Government is Coward then wht would u comment abt the guy escaping in the Burqa was that his bravery. plzzzzz dont relate this incident with waqaya karbala as yahi woh loog hain jo shia ko kafir kehtay hain just because of all that….they did`nt even beleive tht either there was any waqaya karbala or not n now there relating it to that.
n plzzz no one here either u or me has the right to decide who would be where on the judgement day….yeh jo maa behnon ki galiaan day rahay ho is that not a sin….pehlay apnay girabaan main dekho phir kisi ko kuch kehnay keh qabil bano….

oh for God Sake Mr. Umer Abubakar..
no one says Hazrat Ali (a.s) pay quran utra….Fazool logics paish karnay ka shukriya….its u ppl who naozobillah hate Hazrat Ali….pehlay apnay dil say un keh liyeh nafrat nikalo..i have plenty of points to clean ur mind but this is not meant for all this

The pics you are listing are not of lal masjid. Check the date below the burnt body.

Don’t forward false emails. We all clearly know what happened there. We all feel sorry for this.

Show some responsibility.

Omar – I think you missed reading the comment where I pointed out that these two images were from the US invasion of Falluja, Iraq – when the Americans used White Phosphorous on the victims in that city back in April 2004

Assalam-o-Alaikum,

Dear brothers and sisters, we had all this incidents going in previous weeks which is making our country very unstable, some outside forces are trying to exploit ongoing situation in pakistan. We should keep in mind till now pakitan is the only muslim nuclear state in the world map. So this thing is irritating to all other non muslims states. So they want pakistan to become a disasterous state where one muslim will kill another muslim. So we should be very carefull in that sense. Another thing i would like to express here is that instead of becoming emotional we have to think cleverly, and create an awareness in people, because people got the real power not the goverments. All over the world in many countries peoples’ idealogy clash with the goverment idealogy, people should remain united and play thier part in bringing people of pakistan together. In the case of Chief Justice you all know, people backed the Judiciary. And juditiary became confident and gave a good decision. Likewise we have to bring the people to the right path to elect the right leadership. Who can take pakistan to sucess both woldwide and islamwise. Dont be so disheartened har raat kay baad aik din hota hai, we should always be hopeful.Thanks , Yasir

Assalam-o-Alaikum

Dear brothers and sisters, we had all this incidents going in previous weeks which is making our country very unstable, some outside forces are trying to exploit ongoing situation in pakistan. We should keep in mind till now pakitan is the only muslim nuclear state in the world map. So this thing is irritating to all other non muslims states. So they want pakistan to become a disasterous state where one muslim will kill another muslim. So we should be very carefull in that sense. Another thing i would like to express here is that instead of becoming emotional we have to think cleverly, and create an awareness in people, because people got the real power not the goverments. All over the world in many countries peoples’ idealogy clash with the goverment idealogy, people should remain united and play thier part in bringing people of pakistan together. In the case of Chief Justice you all know, people backed the Judiciary. And juditiary became confident and gave a good decision. Likewise we have to bring the people to the right path to elect the right leadership. Who can take pakistan to sucess both woldwide and islamwise. Dont be so disheartened har raat kay baad aik din hota hai, we should always be hopeful.Thanks , Yasir

Mr. Ahsan! Alhumdolillah we dont hate any sahaba… Who hate any sahaba can not be muslim as i told you before. Alhumdolillah we love so so much to Hazrat Ali n you can find lot of people in our Sect has named Ali, Hasan, Hussain ..even my nephew n nice has named Hasan and Fatima . Remember we donot haterd to “ANY ONE”
But in sheya Sect no one have named Abu baker, Omer and Usman…will you plz tell me Ahsan yyyy? do you love all sahaba??? N listen …in iran y is it necessary to take hijab for all women y is it necessay in saudia?? Because islam says that.. we need one revolution which will implement these basic things of islam in “Islamic Republic of Pakistan”..n mind it our idiot army Colonels and officers will not make it possible…InshaAllah this revolution will come from madersaas..InshaAllah..or jo burqay ka drama howa hay …woh yeh bhi ho sakta hay keh government ka darama ho…I am totally agree with the idiology of Lal masjid people but i think act was not right…laykin muslims ka khon raeayga nahi jata…
Ahsan if you have points than plz let me know on my email address or here…I’ll try to clear you if you r serious

What you’d read down here would be what a free man inside of me wanted to write. Go and pee before you read on because this is going to be an already pissed off writing.
Part of the oath that every policeman, every Ranger individual and every military man has to swear about while graduating states: “…and I’ll protect the motherland from the enemies, foreign and domestic.
What the fuck happened to that fucking oath when it’s already been over five fucking months since the cretin Ghazi ‘mother-fuckin’ brothers of Red Mosque started further bending the already twisted laws of this fucking state. The Pakistan Army boasts having the best commando force in the world – why can’t these gay, frustrated motherfucker commandos be sent to ass-fuck the fucking bearded mollusc-heads at the Red Mosque so that the desires of both the parties should be fulfilled?
What I fail to understand about the people of this country is: Stopping barbers from shaving people’s beards, burning CDs and video shops, demolishing TV selling shops and cable operators’ equipment and forcing the women lot to hide behind veils and not to attend schools is not the way. If the fucked up Muslims of this world need to fight really against the Western forces, this is not the way. Education is the way. Out of the top 500 universities in the world, not a single one exists in any of the 58 Muslim countries housing a mammoth 1.2 fucking billion Muslims. Out of 280 million people in the US, every third person holds a degree in sciences and is a scientist. Out of the only 6 million Jews on the face of this planet, not a single one is inadequately educated, what to say non-educated.
Someone publishes a cartoon in another continent and we burn our home; someone is knighted and we hit our heads with bricks – we are fucking nuts. First of all we need to eradicate the mullah brigade headed by mother-fucking Qazi Hussain Ahmed and Mullah Faz-‘LUL’-Rehman (he is one of those rare individuals I want to grab with his beard and hit his head hard while running against an electric pole – envision it and I swear it would give you an orgasmic feeling – the same I want to do to the two Ghazi Brothers of the Red Mosque).
And the Women in Black of Red Mosque is the evicted-from-home lot that due to over-aging or some other defunct abnormality are sent to over 40,000 Madressahs scattered all over Pakistan making good use of these mentally-challenged and defunct males and females by coaxing them to wear A-4s and blow their fucking selves. If they are so fond of blowing, there are people available for the men lot of these Madressahs and I’d offer myself for the women lot. But, please, stop ruining the tacit lives of peaceful citizens. I am volunteering myself and there might be many other patriots, with a heart like mine, out there as well to help these people vent their blowing emotions. All they have to do is fucking ask!
Zir has spoken

well..these things never end up….im a shia n im proud of it….i agree to the point that there r some extremist shia`s who take Hazrat Ali upto the level of Allah (naozobillah)
n no doubt there is extremeism in every tabka…eveyone is not the same….same is the case at ur side…maybe u love Hazrat Ali n im glad to hear that but no doubt u`ll agree to it too that there r ppl too who dont…
im a neutral person…the point is that there is extremism everywhere so no one has the rite to call upon anyone munafiq or kafir. idhar tu baray loog nay shis ko kafir kaha hai y????????
have u read any shia calling upon anyone kafir here…Allah is to decide that.
secondly some one has written all of a bulshit at the top abt shia`s that they dont have parents etc etc…
plzzzzzzzzzzz i`d request be united the prb with the muslims are keh in main TUM aur MAIN bohat hai n HAM kahin nahi hai…

Mr. Zir i agree to all of the points u wrote….but plzzz mind a bit of ur language n ur mas will be more powerful..but rest all wht u said is no doubt correct

Dear brothers!

Saab dua karoo k india pakistan per attack ker dey. i wish and i want to see how much brave is our army. jaab dushman se taker ho gai to hi apnoo ki kadar ho gi. apney logoon per goliaan bersana bohat asaan hai. dushman se hath mila ker apney logon ka murder is the policy of our dear president. Laanat Musharaf, tuj per laanat

Sham on you zir n ahsan ….If you r muslim than think that all God’s messengers had beared n u people basically trying to humiliate this.. None of Sahi n madersa qualified Aalim says to stop study of women or force to barbers to stop doing shave…But there is a complete system in islam..that how n when would she go to study or job …Some illeterate n jobless people r doing all these rubbish things … by distructing CD’s n barbers shops..but good Aalims leader ship will control on these people ..N your language is showing basically from which family u belongs to…Our sisters n madersaas are not suiciders…they r clean n innocent like hazrat meryam. N zir. Allah says in Quran ” achay merdon kay leay achi orat or buray merdoon kay leay borii orat” …They are the females who spend there time in reading quran..they never use any abuse words…from how manay year have u been even touched Quran..?N every buddy can understand from your language keh how mean u r, tum kitnay ghatya admi hoo..Allah tumhain hidayat day or mernay say pehlay ttoba ki tofeeq..Ameen…
Ahsan im repeating that ” jo kisi sahaba say nafrat karay woh muslim nahi ..even in my firqa or yours…mind it ” No one in our firqa hate to “ANY SAHABA”…na hi hamaray tamam firqon..Baraylwi, Ahlayhadees, hanafi, deyobandi..kisi firqay main Alhumdolillah sahaba or Allah kay baray main koe ikhtalaf nahi…n any one from our firqas does not hate to any sahaba..na hi hum kisi insan ko khoda ka naam daytay hain….whether Hazrat Ali (R.A.T.A) or any one..see inside u ..how much u hatered to sahabas…sham on u …

If you r Right muslim than say by your heart n by swearing your mother that you dont hate to Abu baker, Omer , Usman, Ma’aaweya (R.A.T.A) and you will give suggestion in ur firqa to give name Omer , Abubaker or usman to new born. Otherwise tumlog muslims main firqa nahi “Munafiq” ho….mind it

han kisi insan ko tu Khuda nahi mantay tu khud kyun Khuda bantay ho….u have no rite to decide kaun muslim hai tu kaun kafir.ho kya tum Naozibilla Khuda ho ya Prophet….i`ve heard an ahle-hadees saying bad things abt Hazrat Ali (a.s) by my own ears. if u dont agree tht u guys do tht then y shud i….the prob with u ppl is that u think only u r the perfect muslims and human beings. Pehlay kabhi Iman Hussain yaad nahi aye ajj Lal Masjid ka waqaya huwa tu Imam Hussain keh saggay ho gay ho tum….i have ahle-hadees in my neighbours they dont even let their servant daughters go to school. apnay ander tu dekho r u a muslim beard rakhnay say koi musalman nahi ban jata. i must say Shame on u. Agar Allah taala nay insan banaya hai tu insan ban keh raho Khuda bananay ki koshish nah karo u one n only muslim

dont take picture from a single person…even hum sab gunah gar hain…per understand the complete story of religion…
If any ahle-hadees or any sheya or any one say any bad words for any sahaba than they r not muslim ….mind it….
I believe all sheya party hatered to Omer, Abubakar, usman, ma’aweya , hazrat aeaysha (R.A.T.A)….Dont u ???

who burnt Hazrat Fatimah`s home after Prophets death? when at Khutba Hazat-ul-widah The Prophet announced Hazrat to be the nxt Khalifah then did`nt he become, because of who, Hazrat umar, usman, Abu bakar & Ali were all so close to the Prophet then did Prophet gat Hazrat Fatimah married to Hazrat Ali? where were the rest at Prophets janaza, y was Hazrat ALI alone there to do everything? u ppl igonore these questions…i have many more questions first reply to these then i`ll reply to all that u asked?

Hum Imam hussain ko yad kerkay ..chorryann or talwarain nahi martay khod ko… or maatm nahi kertay….hum Quran perhkay onki roh ko khosh kertay hain….tum ka mazhab tumhain moharam main mataam kerwata hay…keya yeh mazhab islam hay ??? keya yeh sahaba ya Hozor(S.A.W.W) nain keya ???kisi bhi gham kay moqay per…y dont u understand dude…

Now this is something totally different. har shia churriyan nahi maarta. Aj agar shia yeh sab protest nah kartay tu hardly anyone could have known abt karbala waqaya. like many other things in history nothing but just stories stated different by every author of different tabka`s.
aur Quran ya Hadees main kahan likha hai hai keh matam karna ghalat hai. y dont u understand man, u just know how to critisize nothing more than…kuch history parho phir tumhay kuch pata laga kya hai aur kya nahi?

Brother …These words r totally wrong pata nahi kahan say tumlogon main yeh zayher bher deya hay islam doshmanoon nain..Abbu bakar kay baray main Allah kehtay hain keh ay..Abubaker keya ap hum say razi hain (mashaAlla)…omer kay baray main Nabi(S.A.W.W) kehtay hain keh mayray bad koe nabi hota to omer hota..Ap (S.A.W.W) nain Allah say abbu jehal ya Omer main say kisi ka musalman hona manga…to Allah nain omer ko hidayyat di..keya Allah apnay Ilm kay derwazay (Hazrat Ali R.A.T.A) say nafrat kernay walay ko hidayat dayta..??.Allah ho made prophet to Nabi (S.A.W.W) ..oskay hath main yeh nahi tha keh Omer , Abbubaker, usman nain naozobillaah jo na insafi kki os per Ali (R.A.T.A) ko khalefa banata…Rishtay to asmanoon per likhay hain yeh hazrat Ali ka ayzaz hay keh apki hazor (S.A.W.W) nain apko hazrat fatima ka rishta deya..jo janat ki serdar hain (mashaAllah)..or yeh Abubakar (R.A.T.A) ka ayzaz hay keh apki bayti hazrat ayesa omahatol momeneen (R.A.T.A) ka hozor aqdas (S.A.W.W) say rishta howa…tum log keon nafrat kertay ho bhae…

i have much more to say but forget as Allah taala ko tu behas aur takrar bhi har giz pasand nahi hai,
koi nafrat nahi karta bhai. yeh bas misunderstandings hain jo ham saloon say suntay aaye hain..ALLAH ham sab ko hidayat day aur duniya keh tamam musalmaano ko aik saath khara karray takeh woh burrai ko door karray nah keh ham apas main hi lartay rahain. (amin sum amin)

bhae sahab…muslims main ikhtalaf khair ka baais hay..in baton per talks honi chaheay… per hamaray peyaroon kay baray main jo dil main bora rakahay woh hamain berdasht nahi …hamara jan mal gharbar qurban hay Hozor(S.A.W.W) per , omahatolmomeneen per, hazrat abubakar, omer, usman, ali or tamam sahaba (R.A.T.A) per..hum qorban hain in ki adaon per..inkay her tareeqay per..Allah hamain hidayat day . Ameen

jee bilkul Amin

Salam Brothers,

I think there is some mental problem to brother Zir, either he is not a muslim or he has some mental illness, what a rude behaviour is that, using abusive language against your Muslim brothers and sisters. Shame on you Mr. Zir. If you are a muslim , you should renew your religion by going to a Mufti or 2nd Kalma par lo, apnay imaan ki tajdeed karlo or toba karlo, agar is halat mein MOTT aa gai, to Allah kay haan kiya jawab do gai, Islam is not a joke like you are thinking of … Mr. Zir. Just study Islam and Quraan first and Prophets preachings and His Hadeeth, then argue with us. You lack basic Islamic knowledge Thanks

Main apnay muslim bhaeyon or her firqay walon ko yeh kehta rahoon ga keh sheyaa munafiq hain…jabtak keh main kisi sheya main Abubakar, Omer, ya Usman naam ka koe daikh na loon…

Acha umer sahab kehtay rahay aap. Aap kehnay nah kehnay say koi munafik ho nahi jaye ga.

I think all this happened was not good. A muslim can not take such type of action against their own muslim brother. so u can understand a single person who has given the permission to army for attack on innocent muslims which were fighting against wickedness can not be a muslim.
I think if we are muslims and have a great sympathy with Ghazi Abdur Rasheed then we should took steps to continue his mission.
May allah be pleased with him.

Prior to the Lal Masjid massacre, I always had doubts about the allegation on Army about its genocidal role in Bengal. But now I don’t have any doubts…

SEE THE UNSEEN
http://www.eyecatchypics.com/showpics.asp?Catid=16&CN=%20Pakistan

Dear Alls, Assalam u Alaikum

Its interesting to be reading these comments. I could not stop to “HIT A QAHQAHA” as all of you ppl are just using your surface to surface intelligence. It’s a pity that you ppl dont take pain to think over the fact that Jamea Hifsa had been build over an “occupied plot” and further thing is that no one of you can justify the existance of such a heavy weaponry in a religious institution, which’s surrounded by civilian population. You ppl can never understand the actual “TOPI DRAMA” which was played under the shadow of this issue. Musharraf can also be put under this issue that why such a heavy weaponry has been accumulated in the capital of Pakistan just under the nose of Parliment House. Clearly he wud have been fully supporting them Hmm let me tell you that Maulana Abdurrasheed was several times caught in the smuggling of illegal weapons and the relaesed by the inturruption of influential politicians who belongs to our “so-called for vote” religious parties. In short v can’t blame one or the other side…rather we should blame ourselves as we still follow those damned politicians and each time help them so that they reach to Parliment through our shoulders…and there they just disscuss different paras of constitution to secure their “KURSEE” and do nothing atleast for the people of their own territory or Khalqa whom vote’s have shown them the way of Parliment.

Wassalam

Im glad to ur read ur comments Laila. Ur absolutely rite in wht ever u wrote. but there r many thick heads here who dont get all this through their minds

The answer is Khilafah which Muslim Leaders never tried to establish. Detail is here in:

http://www.universal-publishers.com/book.php?method=ISBN&book=1581128770

I am glad to read the comments of Laila and Ahsan. Looks like, only you guys have some intellect in this planet.

Allah Talah Ghazi Abdul Rasheed Shaheed Auor Unkii Sation Koo Janat ul Firdos Main Jaga Atah Farmieh Auor Hamien Unkaa Mission Nifiaz Shriat Koo Agieh Leh Kieh Chalni Kii Himat Atah Farmieh Ameen.

Mujhe afsos hai k humaray country m musharaf jaisay khoon-khwaar janwar ko appreciate kernay walay “Muhammad Shahzad Ali” or “Tariq Mustafa” jaisay janwar bhi paltay hien.
Ye log Mullah ki nafrat m in masoom bachon ki begunah amwaat (deaths) sirf is liye nazar andaz ker saktay hien kyun k woh bachay in k ghar se nahi thay.
LaaaaaaaaNat hai aisay logon pe jo un masoom bachon ki maut pe afsos k do alfaz bhi nahi nikal saktay jo sirf Islami taleem hasil kernay Lal masjid aaye thay nakay siasat ka shikar honay!

Shame on Musharraf.I wonder what he’ll answer the peoples of Lal masjid at the ”Day of judgement”.

Remember Guys…..Sheyaa munafiq hain …..

Oh Shutup!!
Munafiq tu tum loog ho jo dil main zehar bhara hota hai aur zahiri toor par baray meethay bantay ho.

Salam Alls,

I am taking the honour once agian to be talking to you people. The issue to be disscussed here is “Lal Masjid” and it is not a dispute between Shias and Sunnies but its rediculous rathe deplorable some people are making it a inter-casts dispute. It’s pity once again, you all have got thick minds and you can never be brought to walk on Siraatulmustaqeem. Once General Zia ul Haque (late) was asked by several so called leaders to impose Sharia Law, he replied “Give me one Islam, I will impose it.” in our country there are so many religious casts , parties and groups that we can not count then on fingures, and every party, every group and every cast has its own Islam which it totally different then others. A Mulim of one side does not consider the people of other side. Whats all this?
I am feeling like that Malang (begger) who was asked about how to control over pricing (Mehengai).
So its useless to Play Been in front of you.
Becuase you people can never be convinced as YOU are Educated Jahils.
Never Mind.

Wassalam.

Exactly ur rite Laila!!!
but this guy Umer Abubakar (Naozobillah) may be thinks keh woh Khuda hai caz he is always upto decide keh kaun kaun kafir hai kaun munafik etc etc
Plzzzz everybody ur here to discuss over the Chemical weapons used on Lal Masjid rather than to criticize others.
We all r muslims. Thats it!!

Who hatered to any sahaba (including Abu baker, Omer, Usman, Ali, Maa’aweya R.A.T.A) are not muslim….they are black sheep in muslims (Ahlayhadees, baraylwee, deyobandi, maalki etc). If any one from all these firqaas hate to any sahaba…are no doubt monafiq…n muslims plzz be careful from these people..they r dangerous than kafir.

Ahsan Jin sahaba kay leay tumlog nafrat rakhtay ho..khoda ki qasam monafiqat khatam kerkay tum yeh nafrat aamm logon main kehnay lag gaeay too…aik monafiq nahi bachay ga ..inshaAllah
tum log apnay dil main Allah kay or hamaray peyaroon kay baray main nafrat rakhtay ho…
Sirif is leay hum tum say nafrat kertay hain….

Guys listen!!!
rewayat hay keh jab hashar kay din Allah pak shadeed jalal main hongay or ambeya ikram say onki omat ka hisab mang rahay hongay..to koe nabi Allah pak kay samnay janay ki himat nahi karay ga,…Hozor aqdas (S.A.W.W) Allah pak kay pas jain gay or kahain gay keh aeay Allah main apni omat ka hiab dayta hoon or apni omat main say Hazrat Abubaker (R.A.T.A) ko Allah kay samnay kerdain gay…Allah pak ka ghosa Abu baker ko daikh ker bohut thanda ho jaeay ga ..:) (MashaAllah) phir AP (S.A.W.W) baqi sahaba , tabeyeen taba tabeyeen ko Allah kay samnay hazir karain gain..phir hum gunah garoon ki bari jab tak aeay gi tab tak Allah rab bulizat ka ghussa kafi thanda hochoka hoga..(mashaAllah)
or baqol sheya concept kay:
Log hazrat fatima kay pas jain gay or kahain gay keh ap Hazrat hussain ka khon maf kerdain takeh Allah ka ghosa thanda ho…hazrat fatima (R.A.T.A) hazrat hussain(R.A.T.A) ka khon maf karain gi to Allah pak ka ghosa thanda hoga…(Naaozobillah)
Allah inhain aqal aata fermaeay ameen…

Hozor (S.A.W.W) kay perda fermanay kay baad…mosalmanoon ko shadeed baghawat ka samna tha , fitnoon ka zahor orroj per tha..is waqt kuch logon nain jin ka taaloq abdullah bin abee kay sath tha hazrat fatima (R.A.T.A) kay ghar per meetings kerkerkay sazish taeyaar ki baghawat ki…hazrat omer sahib-e-firasat insan thay..ap ko pata chala to ap hazrat fatima kay ghar gaeay or onsay kaha keh aeay fatima (R.A.T.A) ..hozor (S.A.W.W) ap say bohat mohabat kertay thay main bhi ap say bohut mohabat kerta hoon..per agar manain yeh sonna keh yeh log dobara ap kay ghar main jama howay hain to main yeh ghar jala don ga….is sirif kehnay per he ..fatima (R.A.T.A) nain onlogon ko apnay ghar anay say lok deya…
jab kay hamary yeh ahsan bhae omer (R.A.T.A) kay baray main kehtay hain keh naaoozobillah onhonain ap fatima (R.A.T.A) ka ghar waqae jala deya tha….pata nahi kaysay aqal aeay gi tum logon ko

Aik imam bargah main aik dost mayra gaya ….jahan shab-e-mayraaj per aalim ssahib baray shandar tareqay say Ap(S.A.W.W) ka mayraj ka waqeya beyan ferma rahay thay…onhonain fermayaa keh jab Ap(S.A.W.W) Allah pak kay pas aeay or itnay qareeb agaeay keh bus aik perda jo onkay dermeyan main tha ka fasla rehgaya to Allah pak ki taraf say aik haath bahar ayya Hozor (S.A.W.W) ki taraf to os hath main woh he anghoti thi..jo hazrat Ali (R.A.T.A) pehnay hotay thay..Naozoobillah…
Hosh kay nakhon lo ..or yeh concept rakhnay walon ..tobba karo..

these are the devastating attacks by Musharraf and USA??

NOW IS PPP PLANNING TO RULE THE NATION OR OCCUPATION BY THE GRACE OF MILITARY
AND USA?

This is be a great decision to fight against the will of the people.

Umar Bhai app ko pata nahi kya masla hai jo bhi aap ap nay abhi shia fika keh hawalay si likhin sab ghalathain atleast maira aisay ki concept nahi….
aur naozobillah ham sahaba say nafrat nahi karaty aur karain..ham agar kisi say nafrat kartay hain tu woh sirf AHL-E-BAIT keh dushmanoon say kartay hain..
ab baraye meharbani ap jis topic par yahan discussion karnay aaye usko hi discuss karain…nakeh aik doosray keh dilon main nafratain paida karain.

Hum oswaqt tak ap logon ki is bat per yaqeen nahi kersaktay keh tum log sahaba say nafrat nahi kertay jab tak sheeyaon main hum Abubakar, Omer, Usman, Maa’aweya namm ka koe na daikh lain…main nafrat nahi..logon ko haqeeqat bata raha hoon

who says that suicide attacks on pak army ..”the dogs of musharraf and u.s.a”…is haram in islam…they have to pay what they have done in LAL MASJID and JAMIA hifza….

Dear Omer,
one thing i would like to tell you is that, America or Isreal are not killing us only by the name of shia or sunni. they just kill us by the name of muslime. so plz don’t create differences amonge muslime brothers. it is not the time to discuss old issues rather we should unite and face the future challenges.
Allah aap ko hamesha khush rakhay.

we all should condemn our chowkidars(army) and raise our voices against these booots other wise these bastard generals will sell even their motherland one day, human beings are of no value for them, they are insane

Allah khair! Allah maafi!

How sinful are our leaders!

This is a clear excuse for Musharraf, who is nowadays planning on making Pakistan a secular state. Damn him and his family! Curse them all!

Assalam o Alaikum

You guys are so free to debate. If you guys got enough time then why didnt anyone of you tried to visit that place before and after the whole scenario.

Mr. Rashid you are such a dumb paid piper that you keep on yelling about your views and dont even have proofs of your own arguments.

I dont know about the lal masjid people nor about the place itself. What i know is that the pakistani nation is quite good is debating and discussing the issue, especially when something is done.

All of the politicians, especially the bearded ones started discussing this issue after everything finished, however, they were more interested about the proprietary of the compound.

About the weapons that were aired on the media; if those people had the weapons then for whom had they saved them for ?

Lal masjid people were very good, they never fired at the time when it was free time , no curfew.

after seeing the number of bullet shots on the compound its not hard to decide that how ruthlessly they have used the ammunition.

It was quite possible to use the strong tear gas, and rubber bullets that were not lethal.

What kind of commando action it was that they just fired ruthlessly at the compound until they were sure that nothing could remain inside.

What the hell were ISI guys doing when the ammunition was being taken into the compound. Everyone knows that the place had been created by ISI.

How can terrorists gather in a mosque at city like islamabad where ISI headquarters are based.

It was quite possible for the administration to have accepted their demands and then get them when the situation was in control.

About these middle east people, they are very emotional and dont have manners to discuss anything.

For God’s sake if this is about discussing Lal masjid , discuss lal masjid.

Kill a shia , sunni , wahabi in your ownself so that you can get united.

I am neither a supporter of Musharraf nor the Lal masjid guys.

May Allah show us the right path.

Mr. Zir that perfactly true whatever u said, and i felt obliged to reply. but dear it would have been much better if u would have used propper language. there should be difference and v should show that yes we r diffeent, we r not them. the rest i really value ur feelings.

i hope any one kill mushraf n his dead body will found in so many pices ameeeeen

We need to see INSIDE us keh kon waqt per hamara sath dayta hay or kon monafiqat kerta hay…agar internely hum nain ghadaron ko pehchan leya too bahar walay hamara kuch nahi begar saktay…Aik rangers kay banday nain report de hay keh LM per ander jaker jin commandos nain karwae ki woh sab sheya thay(Walaah allam)….from all above discussion u can easily understand that who the bull shits are happy in killing of innocent kids n women…WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND keh jab islam or baqi kofer ki jang hogi to kon pechay bhagay ga..as well hamain noqsan pohnchaeay ga… be careful

This guy Umer Abubakar is SICK!!!
iska dimaghi tawazun sahih nahi hai

Jis ko samajhna tha woh samajh gaya hoga..baqi waqt bataeay ga keh who was SICK

In Quran-ul-Hakeem, Allah Subhana Talla says Murdering a human is murdering the whole humanity.

In the history we can never find a reference when our beloved Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him, (Allah Forbid) commanded to offend anybody with weapons. Islam expanded because of his(PBUH) actions, and those actions are the followings of Quran-ul-Kareem. Never did any of our beloved Khulafa-e-Rashideen did any of such act. Even not a single non-Muslim relegious dorms were attacked or destroyed.

So referencing all this, by whose good will did the clerics of Jamia Hafsa and Lal Masjid were able to preach Islam by means of power.

Who were they to use those innocent childrens, Haffaz, and noble persons, as their shields.

Secondly whoever earlier said that suicide bombings are due to Musharraf’s policies, can they simply justify their statement? Nobody can as suicide is totally prohibited and Haram, and doing such attacks to kill innocent people isnt the act of any Muslim. So if they think they are doing the thing for cause of Islam, they are wrong. The must have the courage to speak up and preach through their actions.

How many of you (males) above has ever followed the real parda by throwing away their stare on a female.

If people like Ghazi Brothers are given an open hand, than Pakistan will be no worst than Afghanistan, where no females were allowed to learn as according to them its against parda, and so on not a female can be treated by a male. So from where you can refer that a female should be left alone to die coz of parda?

People we need to think, we should follow the preachings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and Quran, not such clerics who dont know anything themselves.

How many of you can argue that many of such clerics have been involved in child abuse in Mosques, the place we call the House of Allah.

So before just reacting on the views of media and such false clerics we should judge ourselves, think, and than act.

And lastly even being a Sunni, I would have never used such words against any Non-Muslim, there is nobody other than ourselves who are breaking Muslim Ummah in sects, by calling a war upon Shia from Sunnis and Sunnis for Shia.

Rest, may Allah bless us all and guide us on the righteous path.

Allah has given us the opportunity to choose the right path, as we are the superior creatures and being Muslim the superior most of all nations. Allah shows us the way its we, who have to walk on. Don’t deny the truth, don’t blame anybody for your own deeds. Put yourself in front of mirror than raise your voice against anybody.

Having weapons in Masjid is ok.

Kidnapping foreign officials under the name of religion is ok.

Getting arrested several times for illegal weapons and yet leading an Islamic group is ok.

Teaching INNOCENT people (Hafiz-e-Quran) how to use weapons is ok.

Demanding from Government for something that is right, but using such a shameful way is ok.

Using Masjid and Maddarsa for such filthy purposes is also right.

If you people think, every thing mentioned above is not wrong then yes, what ever Musharraf did was wrong.

If we all were so much capable of telling Musharraf as to what has to be done, then we would have been at his place.

People who think they knew a better way of solving that issue and if they really had guts, they would have been in that position at first place.

Ahsan Bhai Aap to direct he ho gaye…Main dabay dabay lafzon main jo baat keh deta tha aap ne seedhi he keh di…Hahaha Or Janab “Omer Abubakar” sahib…Aap sirfff chand baton ka jawab de dain….Jab Huzoor Paak(S.A.W.W) rehla farma gaye thay to tab baray baray jayyad SAHABA KARAAAM thay jo masnad e khlifat o saltanat sambhalne ki fiker main lagay huay thay or RASOOL E KAREEM (S.A.W.W) k Janaza main bhe shareek nahin ho sakay thay…Iss ki kia wajah thi? Ab yeh na keh dena k yeh riwayat he ghalat hai…Ehl e sunnat ki bohat sari kitabon main iss ka ziker hai…Orr Hazrat Omer k baray main baki to ALLAH he behtar janta hai, haan albatta Janab e Syeda Bibi Fatima (A.S) k teesray betay Hazrat Mohsin(A.S) jo shikam e maadar main he thay woh kese Hazrat Omer ki wajah se shaheed ho gaye thay iss wakiye ka ziker zara history ki books main se utha k dekhaiye ga…Or baki aap k concepts apni jagah lekin…Kahan kahan nahin likha hua k Rasool e Paak (S.A.W.W) ne Hazrat Ali (A.S) se kaha k Ali tum mere bhai ho…Muwakhat e Madina k moka per he Huzoor e Paak(S.A.W.W) ne farmaya k Ali tum mere bhai ho iss dunya main bhe or aakhirat main bhe…Or Roz e Qayamat sub se pehle tum mujh se musafha karo ge….Jang e Tabook k moka per Hazrat Ali ko sath ne le jatay huay Syed ul Mursaleen ne farmaya tha k…Mujh ko Ali(A.S) se wohi nisbat hai jo Haroon(A.S) ko Moosa(A.S) se thi lekin mere baad koi Nabi nahin. Ab yeh sub to janab aap ki kitabon main bhe likha hua hai…Lekin pata nahin shaid ALLAH TAALA ne kuch logon k bare main farmaya hai k “ALLAH un k dilon per qufal laga deta hai”…or phir woh sub kuch dekhte or sunte huay bhe…andhay or behray ho jatay hain… or ALLAH TAALA kisi ko uss k Haq se mehroom kerne walon ko pasand nahin kerta…Or main baat phir bhe adhoori chorta hoon k kal roz e mehshar he yeh faisla utha rakhte hain or dekhte hain k ALLAH kis ko Afzal janta hai…Unhain jo Itrat o Zurriyyat e Rasool e Paak(S.A.W.W) k sath tha ya un k jinhon ne unhain un k jaiz haqq se he mehroom rakha…Faislay ka ikhtayar na mujhay hai na aap ko…Haan kuch sawal se hain jo dil main aa gaye thay agar in ka jawab de sakaintooo musarrat ho gi

The whole sad episode proved that we donot either religious or political or military leadership. We proved that over the period the gangs who ruled the country did not have sympathy with Pakistan. This happened because we are ready to be treated like animals by politicians, by military and by our religious leaders. Unless the public stands up these gangs will remain at liberty an dthey will keep fooling us and they will keep dancing.

It has been a shame, a shear shame for Pakistan and Ummah as a whole. THIS IS THE TIME TO TAKE A CORRECTIVE ACTION OR WAIT FOR THE NEXT EPISODE.

Musharraf saheb kursi chorr do ab tumhara demagh kaam nahi ker raha warna zia ul haq ke tu daant mile the tumhare woh bhe nahi milenge. Allah teri qabar pe bhe yehi white phosphorus dalle ga sudher ja abhe bhe time hai mut bad duaein le.

Mr. OMER,
i am really impressed by your comments. that is what your mullas tell you. if islam is like that which you are representing then i think you are living in fools paradise.
Allah aap ko sahee raasta dekaye.
aamin.

Mr IZHAR AHMAD,
I really appreciate your comments. you are an open minded person. you have analysed the situation correctly. but the is one person by the name of OMER, who is trying to create some differences between shia brothers and sunni brothers. so plz advise him not to do that. it is not the time to discuss such issues rather we should have thinking like Mr. Izhar Ahmad.
once again Mr. Ahmad i really appreciate your sayings.
Allah Aap ko hamesha khush rakay.

Mr.Mohd Nouman Shoukat,
i really appreciate your comments. you look quite mature.
May God live you long

All those who curses Musharraf, can better well go to hell, if they cannot see what has happened in Lal MAsjid and the mullas who hijacked Islam and trying to hijack Pakistan, they deserve to be burnt in hell InshaAllaah, and who thinks that Musharraf is a bastard, go inquire about your father!!he is the best thing happened to Pakistan ever!!

have nothing to say… only have tears.. my own army is used against my own people.

You can expect anything from this brutal establishment. Please contribute for change and vote for the rightuous persons/party. Vote to Imran Khan please, only he can save our nations from complete disastor. Please go ahead and help him.

Mr Abubaker omer i am agree wid u…. go0d & others shia’s ppls…. jo jo aap logo ne hazrat Ali(r.a) ke baray main kaha woh bhi theek kaha lekin zara doosri hadeeso ki tarf bhi aajaau….1)AGER MERE BAAD KOI NABI HOTA TO WOH UMER(R.A) HOTA(HADEES),UMER OR ABU BAKER QAYMAAT KE DIN BHI MERE SATH ESE HI UTHAAY JAAYNGEY JESE AAJ KHAREY HAIN, AYE ABU BAKER SAB KA KARZ MAINE CHUKA DIA HAI LEKIN BAROZ-E-QAYAMAT ALLAH KE HAAN TERE QARZ KA HISAAB DOONGA, MEre nabi(s.a.w) ka farmaan hai Abu baker jannati Umer jannati Usman jannati Ali jannati, UMER JIS RASTEY SE CHALTAY HAIN SHAITAAN WOH RASTA CHOR DETA HAI,Hazrat Ali(r.a) ne Umer(r.a) se farmaya aakhri waqt main fiker na kar umer maine bohat baar Nabi(s.a.w) se teri jannat ki basharat suni hai,NABI(S.A.W) ne ALLAh ke huzo0r dua maangi aye rab Ek umer deydey yaa Umer (abu jehal) deydey yaa phir Umer bin khitaab (HAzrat Umer FArooq(r.a) Lekin meri khuwaaish hai kai Umer bin Khitaab deydey,UMER(r.a) ke islam lanay sey jibriel ne nabi(s.a.w) se farmaya yaa RAsoolAllah(s.a.w) aap khush hain? farmaya haan main khush ho0n to0 unho ne farmaya ke Aaj Aasman per bhi khushiaan manaaai jaa rahi hain, ek 0r hadees main farmatay hain mere nabi(s.a.w) ke aakhri waqt main ek QOM h0gy jo mere sahaba(r.a) per laan karegi tum un ke sath khana mat,peena mat,bethna mat,un ka mar jaaye to mat jana tumhara marjaaye to mat bulana ALLAH ki lanat ho0 un per… main aaj bhi kehta ho0n key bhaion sahaba ke Faisley karney walay hum k0n hotey hain IKHTALAF to her dor main rahay hain imam jafar imam abu hanifa imam maliki or shafaai main bhi chand baton ke ikhtlaaf they is ka matlab yeh nahi ke hum kisi ko ghalat bolen…. (JIS SE NABI(S.a.w) khush hoey Aap un se khush rahen ek bhi hadees bata do jis main nabi(s.a.w) yaa HAZRAT Ali(r.a) ne ABU BAKER,UMER,USMAN, ko ghalat kaha ho? yeh sab aapas main dost they 0r inshallah hum yeh QAYAMAT Ke din bhi dekhengey Allah sab ka hami-o-Nasir ho0 AMEEEN….. or Aakhri main ek or hadees (MERE SAHABA SITARO KI MANAND HAIN JIN KI BHI PERWI KAROGEY INSHALLAH HIDAYAT PAAJAAUGEY) ALLAH HAFIZ

as salam walakum
hru brothers and sisters
as we know shia’s are not faithfull to even of their own prophets wife how can we retify them being a muslims totally not as history tells us that they were the killers of Hazrat Imam Hussian(shaheed) and when his body had roll down to the darbar of Yazeed all the women were there starts out mourn and beat their chest as we seen today in shianism even the non-muslims always been afraid to converted themselves into Islam because they think it is only promoted violence and in the making of pakistan there was no a one solid leader of neither a shia site nor a bervali site we live here in pakistan because of wahabbnism they were the first who incept a slogan against british Government and was the very first who start this agitation the most important factor was they were claimed to spead out islam in all over the india cause they know when they got the independence the rest of the people who left in india will be tortured by the hindus but shias and bervali were against it, and just wanted to take their land and flee away i read somewhere above that which islamic constitution we should be launched here in pakistan i would say the same constutution which has been inscripted in a law at the time of independence a shriat law of deoband basically our constuition is based upon the deoband law neither any of other infact they suffered alot who was shah wali ullah moulana mohammad ali johar allama iqbal liquat ali khan ahmed shaheed sir syed ahmed khan moulna shaukat ali quaid e azam in later part alif sani mosin ul mulak moulana hasad mohani syed hassan shoaib quershi abdul rehaman siddique Tipu sultan haider ali siraj ud dullah who were they they were all sunnis belong to the deobandi wahhabhi sect no single stronger leader had come from anyone from mohammad bin qasim to the badaur shah zafar from tipu sultan to the quaid e azam they were all sunnis deobandis if shia or beravali lives here its just because of our blessings.as far as some stupid claimed that the phosphours bomb didnot fling inside the mosque now let me tel you and read it down today Government concedes it if someone have a doubt over it i would only call him a madman and still say the one great idiom someone wrote above therein The Fewer Facts You Have In Support Of An Opinion, The Stronger Your Emotional Attachment To That Opinion.”

Ejaz-Ul-Haq concedes use of phosphorus bombs
ISLAMABAD, Jul 26 (Online): The Federal Minister for Religious Affairs, Ejaz-Ul-Haq has conceded the fact that troops used phosphorus bombs during operation against Jamia Hafsa. While talking to journalists after offering Asar prayers at the newly renovated Jamia (formerly Red Mosque) mosque, he regretted the operation, which had to be carried out, blaming it on obdurate behavior of the clerics’ brothers. He announced government’s steadfast resolve to rebuild the demolished mosques, which were the main cause of the ferocious uprising in the Capitol City, and tenders have already been approved for these mosques. He said that so far 58 dead bodies remained un-identified, and government intends to ensure that repetition of such incidents does not re-occur. Replying to various questions, he expressed his inability to declare the deaths as martyrdom’s, since even according to the edict of Maulana Rafi Usmani, all depends upon the inner self of a person, which only God Almighty can discern. The President and PM have declared that government was prepared to undertake the welfare and educational expenses of students of Jamia Hafsa and Jamia Faradia, with schooling of their own choice. The government would notify the students of this facility by phones and addresses available with the interior ministry, and announced that 1500 students were present before the operation out of which 1300 were saved in due time. Only 102 deaths occurred, out of which 58 dead bodies have not been able to be recognized so far, while DNA tests of 50 relatives have been carried out to determine the kin of casualties. He said that all decisions and findings would be carried out according to Islamic tenets and principles, and would take the officials of Madaris into full confidence. He also expressed full readiness and cooperation of the government in Court inquiries.
End.

next time i wont be here to get reply you back the truth is outthere i have my own frontier Allhhafiz to all

Raza…Tumnain hazrat Ali (R.A.T.A) kay baray main jo likha os say Alhumdolillah hamain inkar nahi..bulkay …shayad is say berh ker hum Hazrat Ali kay derjay ko mantay hain..per ap yeh bhi to daykho ko Hozro(S.A.W.W) nain hazrat abu bakar or omer , maa’weya kay baray main keya kaha hay??? keya history read ki hay tum nain??? keya hozor(S.A.W.W) naozobillah inki taraf say dhokay main thay ya yeh sari reewayatain jhoti hain ??? Hazrat Ali, Omer , Abubakar, Usman , Maa’weya , Hazrat Aeaysha sab log pehlay derjay kay jannaati hain (Masha
Allah) or in main si kisi ko acha janna or kisi ko bora janna or tohmat lagana ya bora kehna dozakh main layjanay ka baais hay. Sahaba kay dermeyan yaqenun kuch intizami ikhtilaf hongay ..laykin kisi nain dosray kay leay taassob nahi rakha…Hozor(S.A.W.W) kay perda fermanay kay bad agar Abu bakar omer talwaar layker na nikaltay to itnay fitnay aakharay hotay keh aj yeh deen or yeh kitab Quran majeed hamaray pas is halat main na hoti..Hazrat Usman or Hazrat maweya Hozor (S.A.W.W) kay katib-e-waheethay..Khuda kay leay insay boghaz choro or her sahaba say mohabat karo…werna dunya main bhi nakam hogay or akherat main bhi..or tumlogon ko yeh ghalat fehmi hay keh hum naoozobillah hazrat ali ya hussain (R.A.T.A) say nafrat kertay hain (Naozobillah sumaa naozobillah) to woh sunni ,wahabai ya baraylwi nahi hosakta..bulkay musalman he nahi hosakta..as well kisi bhi sahaba kay baray amin koe boghaz rakhay woh musalman nahi hosakta….mind it..

Agar tum log sahaba say nafrat na karo to Tumlog hamaray bhae ho chahay hath chor ker namaz perho, chahay 3 waqt namaz perho, chahay paaoon dhoker wazo ka aghaz karo…etc..bus sahaba say nafrat na karo…or sahaba say nafrat tumharay deen ka hisa hay…

MUSHRAF I HAVE ONLY 2 WORDS FOR U ….FUCK U

Allah is great and the only path of success in this world and hereafter is way of Holly prophet Muhammad PBUH. All those who fight with muslims or Islam would infact be announcing fight with Allah almighty.

There is no success till the way of Phophet Muhammad PBUH is followed.

Alam yani lilazina aamano untakhsha qulubuhum lizikrillah.

Allah knows the hearts that who really want to bring real change in society.

May Allah Almighty bless us with wisdom to understand the difference between right and wrong.

Mr “Omer Abubakar” aap ko Hazrat Ali (A.S) k martabay se bhe inkaar nahi hai…or yeh bhe nahi maantay k Huzoor (S.A.W.W) k parda farmanay k baad woh he sub se pehle khilafat k haqdaar thay…na keh koi or…or agar kisi or ne aisa kerne ki koshish ki tooo woh haq talfi ka murtakib hua or ALLAH haq talfi karne walon ko kabhi pasand nahi farmata…Awwal to yeh reason he ghalat or khilaaf e fitrat hai k Huzoor(S.A.W.W) k Janaza main un k ehm tareen or sub se kareebi dost he shareek na hon kyun k unhain masnad e khilafat ki fiker khaye ja rahi ho…Jis ko dard hota hai usse koi khilafat or koi fitna yaad nahi hota…phir bhe chalo agar itna maan bhe lain k Hazrat Abu Bakr ko halaat k mutabik aik dam khalifa banana para tooo phir bhe yeh too pehli khilafat tak theek hua uss k baad phir se next khalifa ka intakhab, or phir next khalifa ka intakhab…iss sub main harr dafa UN se he ziadti or na insafi kyun JINHAIN Huzoor Paak(S.A.W.W) ne SUBB SE KAREEB rakha…Khair aap ki samajh main yeh baat nahin aye gi or rahi baat history ki tooo history ALLAH ka shukar hai maine parhi hui hai or un logon main se nahin hoon jinhain koi bhe firqa meeraas main apne baap dada se milta hai…Alhamdolillah main sub kuch parh k ba tehkeek uss firqa ko apnaya hai jis ka main pair o kaar hoon…Aur Wilayat o Khilafat e Ali (A.S) k silsile main agar aap Huzoor Paak (S.A.W.W) ka khutba e ghadeer parh lain too aap k bhe kafi concepts clear ho jain ge…Agar iss ki copy chahiye ho too main aap ko de sakta hoon…Orr haan tareekh ki he kitabon main yeh bhe likha hai jab Rasool e Paak(S.A.W.W) ne Khilafat or Wirasat k bare main wasiyat likhne k liye kaghaz kalam mangwaya tha to Hazrat Umer ne kaha tha k Huzoor bukhar ki shiddat ki wajah se (Naozobillah)hizyaan ka shikaar hain…Yani inhain khud hosh nahi hai wasiyat kia likhain ge(Naozobillah suma Naozobillah). Is rewayat ko bhe maine ehl e sunnat ki kitabon main dekha hai…Jis ka seedha sa matlab hai k Huzoor Paak (S.A.W.W) per tohmat bandhi gayee thi(Astaghfirullah)… Baki aap ne Quran Paak k sahi halat main hum tak pohanchne ka ziker kiya hai tooo uss k baray main main yahi kahoon ga k yeh tooo ALLAH per yakeen ki baat hai k kisay kitna hai…Jis kitaab ki hifazat ka zimma khud ALLAH ki zaat ne apni kitaab main le liya hai…hum loag ya koi bhe shaks kon hota hai uss kitab ki hifazat ki zimmedari lene wala ya iss silsile main khud ko ba ikhtayar sabit kerne wala…Jab ALLAH ne khud apne aap ko iss ka muhafiz thehraya hai tooo phir (Naozobillah) is ki halat bigerne ka koi sawaal he nahin rehta…Bahar haal jawab aap ne mere pichle sawalon k bhe sahi se nahi diye thay…is baar bhe jitni jasaarat ki hai uss ka agar koi munasib jawab de sakain too bohat khushi ho gi…Baki faisle ka ikhtayaar ALLAH ki zaat ko hai k kon sahi hai or kon ghalat…kon dunya main bhe tabah rahe ga or aakhirat main bhe…Aap ko or mujhay ALLAH ki zaat ne iss haqq se azaad rakha hai k bandon ki dunya or aakhirat k faislay karen…ALLAH hum sub ko seedhi raah dikhaye(AAMEEN)

Raza yeh tum nain nehayat ghatya or ghaleez baat likhi hay Hazrat Umer kay baray main hazyan wali…koe bhi aqal wala yeh per ker tumhain lanat he karayga…pehlay to bat hoe nahi..dosra tumnain jitna ghatya lufz istamal keya hay.or jo tumlog kertay rehtay ho…lanat ho tum per…Allah tumlogon ko hidayat day..or hidayat kay qabil na hoo to berbad karay..main tumlogon ki kuch books ki study shoro kernay wala hoon..phir logon ko mazeed agah karon ga…tumlog munafiq hoo or hamaray peyaroon say nafrat kertay hoo…

Allah nain rizq ka waadaa bhi khod keya hay..tum log chader orrhooo or ghar main sojao..rizq mil jaeay ga..Allah nain wada jo keya hay…Jab kabay ki hifazat ka mamla tha to Allah nain apni merzi say ababeel ko zerya banaya ..or jab Quran pak ko mukhtalif likhay howay sahefoon ki shakal say kitab ki shakal main laayaa gaya to allah pak nain yeh kam Usman (R.A.T.A) say leya….yeh Allah ki sunnat hay..keh woh apni makhloq ko sherf bakhs ker apnay kam layta hay…Quran main koe gerber jo tum 30 say 40 paray kerna chahtay ho Allah pak nain tum monafiqqon kay moqablay main hamain banaya….

Logic ka jawab logic se dena seekhain Mr. Omer Abubakar sahib nahin tooo fazool bolne walon ko ALLAH bhe pasand nahin kerta…Or yeh bhe kamaal ki kahi k Hamare muqable main aap ko banaya…Chalo younhi sahi…Yeh kamaal ki jang hai jo aap apne he muslims k khilaaf larne chale hain…Lekin wese maine aik jagah parha hai k munafiq ki 3 nishaniyon main se aik yeh bhe hai k ghusse main ghatiya zubaan istamaal kerta hai…Main to shuru se he aap se AAP JANAAB ker k baat kerta raha hoon…Aap ko khud he apne girebaan main jhank lena chahiye…kher…ALLAH sub ko hidayat de…Or kindly apne iss 30 se 40 Paray wale concept ki tasheeh ker lain…jo aap ka mann gharat hai…kyun keh hamare firqa main aisa koi belief nahin hai k 40 Paray bhe ho saktay hain (Naozobillah) Or kisi per lanat or nafreen kerne se pehle hamain apna ilm bhe mukammal rakhna chahiye…Aap ko shia aalimon ki kisi kitaab ko parhne ki zaroorat nahin hai…Jo wakiya Hazrat Umer k bare main maine quote kiya hai woh baish baha sunni ulama or islami tareek daanon ki kitabon main bhe likha hua hai…Ab hamare sunni bhai bhe deen se kharij ho gaye…Hai na?…ALLAH sub ko shar pasandi or firqa variyat k ta’asub se bachaye or seedhi raah dikhaye(AAMEEN)

Sorry to all others if by mistake I have hurt somebody’s sect or religion as I did not mean to do so…But this guy Mr Omer Abubakar created a rivalery so I spoke more than what I should have…Regards and Prayers 4 all of u n all the muslim ummah…

Lal Masjid incident was shameful for muslims.

Jis nain kisi bhi sahaba say nafrat ki, onkay khilaf boghaz rakha woh munafiq hay, laanti hay, merdood hay…mind it…

Aslamo Aliakum to All Brothers and Sisters:

What ever in Pakistan is going on is not good. But All of you remember one thing Allah Jasie nationa hote hai waisa he Leader un pe musalat karta hai. Is laye kissi ku bora kehna theek nahin hain … Hum sub he bore haib . ye humare he amaaal hain ke Zalim hukmran hum pe muslata hai… Namaaz Qaim karooo… Haqooq Allah aur HAqooq ul Abaad ka hiyaal rakho… Agr humain koi GALEEE deta hai tu hum use marne dorte hain aur hum use return main 10 galian daite hain… Mere bhai ye kahan ka Islam hai…. Bhai Chara tu hai he nahin, Aik dosre ku hum Bardash he nahin karte …. Maaaf karma sekhoo… Hum loag aube Allah se apne gunaoon ke maaafe mangain. This is the time we have to analyse ourselves. If every one corrects himself and follow Islam then whole nation will get right. Islam zubardusti implement nahin ho sakta… Islam means peace

. We are challenging Allah in “Islamic Republic of Pakistan” i.e Banking Interest system, Cables at home etc…. You can contact me at (iqbalasif83@gmail.com)

Allah Hafiz
Asif Iqbal

BOHAT ACHA HOWA YE SAB PTHAN HAIN OR DAV HAIN

BOHAT ACHA HOWA YE SAB PTHAN HAIN OR DAV BANDI HAIN YE PAKISTAN HAMARA HAI US WAQAT YE SAB KAHAAN THEE JAB IN KE LOG BURQA OOR KE BADMAASHI DEKHA RAHE THEE

Kuch logon ka kuch nahin ho sakta…ALLAH he qufal laga deta hai un k dilon per…Tab jo kuch bhe un k saamnay khuli kitaab ki maaning hota hai moh usse bhe dekh he nahi saktay…

Bari peyari bat ki..tum logon per bilkul puuri oterti hay…..

ALLAH he janta hai k kis per poori utarti hai…Woh behtareen faisla kerne wala hai

Bayshuk…Jis nain kisi bhi sahaba say nafrat ki, onkay khilaf boghaz rakha woh munafiq hay, laanti hay, merdood hay…mind it…

Y u living in a fools paradise…Iss bande k damagh k saath koi special problem hai…Totally SICK n IMMATURE person…

Jis nain kisi bhi sahaba say nafrat ki, onkay khilaf boghaz rakha woh munafiq hay, laanti hay, merdood hay…mind it…

U r SICK…Consult some psychiatrist.

ASALAM O ALIKUM
well yahan per majority LM ki favour mai hay, masoom bachoon,khawateen or loagon per bohot zulm huwa but meri app sub say 1 request hay kay just thought neutraly n with cool mind tou is sub incident ka responsible sirf 1
hee shaks hay woh hay abdul rasheed ghazi………………………….
AALAH jub bhi kissi ko koi musab deita hay tou uss per responsibilities
bhi utni ziada hoti hain. jin ka hashar kay din bhi poocha jaye ga…………..same with ghazi
thousands numbers mai door daraz areaz say loagon nay apnay bachoon ko bhaija lal LM so that they become good muslims,good humen beings in ki taleeem o tarbiat kerna oor inhain acha insaan bana ghazi ki responsibility thi but ………………………ghazi nay kia kiya in ki brain washing ki in ko taleem dainay ki bajaye ghunda gardi mai laga diya app samaj samajh dar loag hain behtar andaz mai realize ker saktay hain……talbaa kay haathoon mai qalam ki jaga gun pakrai gai, oor tou oor khawateen tak ko fighting rods dai de gai…….ghazi nay uss imanat mai khayanat hee tou ki hay jo ALLAH nay thousands of lives ki shape mai uss kay sapurd ki theeen!!!!!!!!

i m not disscussing the character of gov, forces there 1st of all think all upon that……………

jo bhi howa theek howa kyun ke yeh log ISLAM ke dushman they…

munafiq munafiq RASHID munafiq AZIZ munafiq….

……..Jis nain kisi bhi sahaba say nafrat ki, onkay khilaf boghaz rakha woh munafiq hay, laanti hay, merdood hay…mind it…

My brother used to advise me…Dont be stupid with stupids…So now i think i should quit replying u…As i just mentioned..u r SICKKKK and its a brotherly advice for u to consult some psychiatrist…Be happy in the fool’s paradise u live…U have ur own faith and i have my own…Who is right, will be decided on the day of judgement…See u there INSHAALLAH…Regards

Jis nain kisi bhi sahaba say nafrat ki, onkay khilaf boghaz rakha woh munafiq hay, laanti hay, merdood hay…mind it…………..

The people of state are pakistanies, pakistan has been acquired at the name of islam whereas there`s was`nt any need of sepration from India.what was the crime behind killing those muslims, were they killed due to their prestigious thoughts to impliment Islam and sharia?? the Question is what this country is made for n for what this country`s army is working for??? need simple answer

i am working oversease and was closely watching that all developments don by our forces and we got our face down with shame what our forces don.we cried on that all bastered happend.i saw all the picture in electronoc media especialy on AAJ TV.our sisters who are reciting quran which never shown their even face to the other peoples but they were got expose to media / unknown peoples.ya allah where the pak army who has a sloghen ( allah akbar ) where they are.

After killing of innocent students of Jamia Hafsa via miscalculated (silence not) violence operation & continous bomb blasts we all should practice our responsiblities in the intrest of Pakistan & ISLAM. For tragic mishap of Lal Masjid, Govt which should behave with public like Mother is responsible for innocent killing of poor students. Opposition especially MMA & many Ulmas were not serious to stop this blood shed, but were in favor of this tragedy. As in Jamai Hafsa there were majority of poor common students from far flung areas, which were not citizens of Pakistan but villagers (Who have no basic rights) . So opposition concentrate on APC & civil society including some electronic & print media showed complete negative approach regarding Lal Masjid. Which encourage Govt for taking such drastic operation. These are some more hidden & open realties behind this mishap.
All part riot People especially those like me, who have sacrificed all for this Pak Land are worried,shocked & restless about the present miserable situation. What is reason behind the present clash. Is this clash for first Pakistan or for ISLAM. Sorry to mention this spicy truth that cruel actions of both parties are against Pakistan & ISLAM.
If Govt is serious in its slogan first Pakistan then priorities should be ensure the safety of Pakistanees. Same is case with hardliners ,if their mission is Islamic revolution, they should practice the rules of Islam in all their actions.
Rules of ISLAM are clear. There is no room for extremism, sectarianism ,communalism, terrorism….. in ISLAM. If someone thinks that Islam teaches him to do so, I think it does not conform to the principles of Islam. So Ulmas,Islamic scholars should explain terrorism, relations with other communities and forbidding of the use of violence against innocent people.
In Islam there is no justification to violence, whosoever the perpetrator is..But sorry to mention majority of Ulmas & Islamic scholars have failed to frame united agenda against sectarianism ,terrorism & extremism in Muslim countries.
Also in disturbed soils like Phalistine, Kashmir , Iraq ….in the justice struggle against aggressive forces, maximum Ulmas & Muslim scholars kept themselves away from movements. Neither they explain the importance of innocent human beings in ISLAM nor define the rules & regulations of resistance & Islamic character values like unity ,justice, charity for war affected families ETC. Resulting
destruction of Afganistan,
recent bloody clashes in Phalistine,
death of 3 lacks in Somalia via rival Muslim groups (which provide chance USA to interfere again in Somalia )……
countless leaders & groups with different agendas in Kashmir, which is reason behind limited group clashes & open threat for future of kashmir in both cases defeat or success of movement of Kashmir .
Also in absence of Islamic spirit majority Kashmire affected families of martyrs, disable, migrated are without relief & some self desired are enjoying openly like kings in the name of movemen in both sides.
Occupied forces are practicing all types of atrocities to curb resistance movement in unfortunate soils like Kashmir . In addition to victim of atrocities of occupied forces in such soils innocent civilian had been & are victim of immature misguided elements also.Which is reason behind the migration of Kashmire Muslims & non Muslims.
Sorry to mention in Pakistan also innocent people are victim by both moderate & hardliners.
Both parties cant justify these innocent killing. Which is message to us all that in any kind of terrorism in which innocent people are victim in any soil is never with solution but part of problem. So any such act done in any soil of world should be condemned. Iraqes,Afganes,Kashmires in addition to victim of state terrorism are in trouble via such attacks in populated areas where instead of their target common innocent people often becoming victim from last three decades. So this is time to realize the pain of such oppressed people.
Sorry to mention majority of Islamic scholars, Ulmas, are silent over such attacks. And behave like spectators because of self interests, fear or threat. Islam rejects people with double standards, as does the humanity. If the learned men of religious authority are victim of this double-standard syndrome, I don’t think Islam acknowledges such behaviors. We all believe day for death is fixed, then what is reason behind silence over cruel acts from all sides & keeping themselves away from such cruel acts.
BLESSINGS of ISLAM are for whole human beings. Prophet MUHAMMAD peace be upon Him is last messenger of Allah, QURAN the most Holy pious BOOK sent by ALLAH. People in search of truth from other religions should go through the teachings of ISLAM themselves, then all misunderstanding created by some immature Muslims & media trial by anti Islamic forces would be clear The literal meaning of Islam is peace. How can a religion, from whose very literal meaning emanates a feeling of peace and security be an advocate of violence against innocent people, Muslims or non muslims So
Duty of every Muslim is to preach ISLAM in all corners of the World.So Muslims should avoid to keep attach their political or other personal interests with Islamic movements. Only to give priority to practice real ISLAM first then to preach it for the success of human beings in both worlds. As in the past character and behavior of preachers of ISLAM was so strong that people would automatically embrace Islam. Sorry to say that if in some areas some people are disillusioned with Islam today, it is because of bad character and bad behavior of those Muslims ,who claim contractors of ISLAM. The only way out from this situation is to respect other people and save oneself from inflicting harm upon another.
ISLAM is the best religion having all rules of moral character, rules for development, welfare, economics, I mean solution for all problems, protection of humanity, peace…..everything i.e. rules & regulations from birth of baby up to international politics. So is the reason ISLAM is the fast growing religion in the world & acceptable for all throughout the world. It is the only one fair religion which can continuously guide human beings in all centuries in all soils & is with solutions for all day by day problems. Even ISLAM in the interest of human beings up to end of the world has kept the room for IJTEHAD also.
When ISLAM was accepted by a major population & big area was under Muslim rulers .Anti Islamic forces framed their plans against Muslims. For this they plotted their paid agents to break unity of Muslims & are also busy to harm ISLAM directly or via their agencies.. So the first and foremost thing is to establish who are responsible for killing innocent people in disturbed soils Iraq Kashmir Afganistan & now in Pakistan ?. Even if some Muslims are supposed to be involved, it has to be seen whether they act on their own or are used as tools in some kind of a ploy by different agencies to carry out these heinous acts. In the latter case, it is not the Islam that is to be blamed. These paid agents also succeed to divide Muslims in sets sub sets.
It is unfortunate Muslim societies are far away from positive basic rules of ISLAM like Unity, Education ,research, justice ,accountability…struggle for justice ETC but negative aspects like disunity ,illiteracy, luxuries, injustice, intolerance ,extremism, terrorism, dictatorship…laziness ETC were introduced in Muslim societies. This provide chance to Non Muslim forces to have upper hand over Muslim world. So after freedom of Muslim countries majority are ruled indirectly by non muslim powers . Even in 21st century yet some Muslim states are under direct occupation of such forces Or their allies.
Unfortunately in Muslim world, Muslims even after freedom are without basic rights as compared to West .It was observed by Mulani Halle before 2 centuries. So he was comp led to say
SHREAT KEA JOU HAM NEA PAWMAN THODA
WOH LEA JAKEA AHLE MUGREB NEA JODEA……………..
. .Before cold war for Muslims there was a bit hope but now Muslims have to change their present miserable condition without any support from any world power. For this unity is the basic need, Also . Ulmas, scholars should come forward to lead Ummah & to expose the paid agents & plans of anti islamic forces.
Misguided Muslims if involve in giving bad name to ISLAM should be opposed openly. Common innocent should never be target by anyone in the name of religion at any place in the world .Innocent killing is a great challenge for Muslims especially in Iraq , Afganistan, Kashmir ,….where struggle is against foreign aggressions. Sorry to mention how can justify innocent killing via suicide attacks in Pakistan . If you look at the history, most wars at the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon Him) were thrust upon them and Muslims reacted only in self-defense. Islam has reached various places, including Kashmir , without the influence of sword. Islam authorizes war in extraordinary situations only, for example, if they meet a violent uprising and the use of force becomes the only alternative. As in Kashmir after 42 years of political struggle there was not any other alternative other than arms struggle against India . And now after 9th Sep. if intentions are fair for goal & to save rest population , ISLAM gives authority to utilize other sources also.
No body has authority to change Moral roles of ISLAM in the world. All human beings throughout world have right to enjoy such moral blessings of ISLAM .Common people in streets of USA , India ,Kashmir,Iraq, Pakistan or in any state are not policy makers of concerned country, if such people are victim via direct or indirect attack, whole team involve for such attacks are part of problem for ISLAM .As innocent victim in such attacks can be supporter of 5 daughters or sisters… 5 girls without guardian. .result….intolerable ,if victim is supporter of aged disable parents…result death of parents in miserable condition. So against such attacks the entire meaning of Islam can be summed up in one Qur’anic verse: An innocent killing is tantamount to the killing of all the humanity. Islam goes to this extent as well that if a man helps another even with half a word in abetting a killing, he too is involved in the entire crime. Killing of innocents has nothing to do with the religion of peace ISLAM.
Before blaming others I mention the real message of ISLAM about protection of humanity & peace .But if we go through deeply the base of disputes which are basic cause of disturbance throughout world, Muslims alone are not to be blamed but much responsible are aggressive powers & their allies. These powers are involve in killing millions of Muslims in Iraq , Afganistan, Phalistine, Chenchneya , Somalia , Sakyanak , Kashmir …….& other parts of the world .These aggressive forces are practicing all brutal acts against innocent common Muslims to curb resistance movements. In these disturbed areas millions of Muslims are victim of all types of atrocities by aggressive anti Islamic forces, where Muslims do fight for their rights. These so called champions of humanity & secularism are involve in brutalities in above mentioned soils. Even these powers who claim with the solution of human beings have proved practically that they are part of problem for humanity & peace of the world. So such beast forces have not any authority to blame Muslims for violence .What is behind knighting rashde by UK . Only to hurt emotions of Muslims & violate them .Then to blame them.
Though If we go through old religions like Hunduism, Christianty, Jews…,there is also no room for killing innocent people. As the base of all religions is HUMANITY ,if any believer of any faith is busy to swallow HUMANITY he or she is not sincere with religion but is simply a beast. So before media trial against ISLAM, aggressive forces have to recheck their policies.
Also Muslim scholars, Ulmas should come forward to condemn & oppose openly any attack against innocent people in any part of the world, wheather victim Muslims or Non muslims.As if a particular mode of procedure has more disadvantages than advantages, however
Justified a cause, one must refrain from it especially when it brings a bad name to Islam. These acts do not conform to the teachings of all.
Sorry to mention in Muslim Countries only some dynasties are enjoying taxes of public & common public do suffer due to injustice system. Resulting common public do feel unsafe under such shamed system, common public disturbed & room for misguiding such disturbed peiople.So Policy makers of Muslim countries should introduce such system ,which should be on the base of justice to avoid mental torture of poor public.Then people like poor villagers inside Lal Masjid can be treated as citizens of Pakistan,the only one country base of which is ISLAM.

I totally agree with Mr. Omer.
But omer i think we have to tell the truth to these people with patiance. i remained with shiah people for 5 years. i know each and every thing about these people. so convince these people with logic.

sahaba’s are great.
take care allah hafiz

Nothing is gona happen till we rectify our own self. The evil is amoung our own self. Musharraf may be the mama, chacha amoung one of us. Their is no end to Musharaf. This one will go another will come. Name me a single politition from whom we r satisfied. Malfunctioning is in our own selves. Dont blame any1 else for this. Blame ur selves. What role did we played in all this event. Nothing. we have even no right to comment

Mr. Raza good that u quited replying to thus guy umar as he is a jerk…samjhaya ussay jaa hai jissay akal ho…fazool main sir khapanay ka faida nahi caz yeh insaan jahil hai…he shows that he has so many logics but he is totally has a thick head….is keh msg`s parho by one way or the other aik hi baat likhi hai…jab bhi koi question poochu tu kabhi jawab nahi daita ulta laanatain bhejta hai aur naozobillah Khuda banta. aaj tak kabhi kissi bat ka sahih jawab nahi diya…
he is impossible

I agree with u Mr. Ahsan…Issi liye I chose to quit…Anyhow…Want to discuss a few things with U…A few questions…If u can, but other than this forum. Will wait for ur responce

LAL MSJD AZAAN KI AWAZ KO TARASTI HE OR PERVAIZ PRESIDENT HOUSE MEN BETH KR KHUSHIYAN MANATA HE SHAME ……..
EVERY MUSLIM SHOULD CONDEMN THIS ACT OF KILLING INNOCENT BOYS AND GIRLS
I HATE MUSHARAF

musharaff is a biggest dog of the world……………….

10:38 pm(6 minutes ago) IN MY VIEW POINT, THERE WAS NO NEED OF OPERATION, THE GOVT JUST WASTED THEIR TIME AND RESOURCES ON THE OPERATION.

THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST SENT A BURQA FOR GHAZI AS WELL IN WHICH HE WOULD HAVE COME OUTSIDE AS A FEMALE (AUNTY GHAZI) WITH A AK-47 IN HIS BURQA.

As the background of Lal Masjid is concerned, many top Islamic scholars including the Imam e Kaaba tried to convince them but all went down in drain, every one knows it.

About the mass level disinformation of more than 1000 casualties which is created in an effort to show the crisis as a massacre only for some elements vested interests, the Pakistani Think Tank has given independent information about it, you can read it for eye opening reality.

http://paktribune.com/pforums/posts.php?t=4616

Let us make a pact today as being the youth and the future of pakistan to never ever alow any new army leaders to lead our home land again……
plz do not support these army leaders because the only thing they care about is themselves and no body else… let us pray that oh GOD free our country from such self reiches army dictators who have ruled our country for ages………

If chemical weapons were used than the soldiers would have definetely went in wearing protective gears not leaving any part of their body exposed, but the soldiers went in like this.

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Mujahideen will NEVER declare Jihad on Muslims, those who say that the Lal Masjid were Mujahids should have known what Prophet SAW said,

According to a Hadis – When two muslims meet each other with swords in their hands the killer and the kiled both go to hell.

In the name of Allah Most Gracious Most Merciful

And [there are hypocrites] who have established a [separate] mosque in order to create mischief, and to promote apostasy and disunity among the believers, and to provide an outpost for all who from the outset have been warring against Allah and His Messenger. And they will surely swear [to you, O believers], “We had but the best of intentions!” -the while Allah [Himself] bears witness that they are lying.

At-Tawbah 107

Jis nain kisi bhi sahaba say nafrat ki, onkay khilaf boghaz rakha woh munafiq hay, laanti hay, merdood hay…mind it………

Jis nain kisi bhi sahaba say nafrat ki, onkay khilaf boghaz rakha woh munafiq hay, laanti hay, merdood hay…mind it…

ISLAM is with solution for all human beings. It is duty of all Muslims to preach the blessings of ISLAM. For this Muslims should obey orders of ALLAH to be brotherly & friendly with other human beings,to share & care,to serve humanity.But sorry to say as here in this forum, we do observe Muslims are not brotherly with Muslims but busy in discussion on minor issues with each other. Such discussions indicate disunity, which is the main reason behind downfall of Muslims.
In occupied soils like Kashmir,Afganistan,Phalistine,……. Muslims are divided in countless groups, where unity is must, resulting already divided Muslims in sets are now scattered in subsets. So even after heavy sacrifices in these occupied soils failed to achive goal.
If we go through differences between two main sets Sunney & Shiea, ALLAH, Prophet MUHAMMAD peace be upon Him,Holy book QURAN is common. There are some minor differences.But sorry to say some Immature & misguided are creating big differences. So sincere scholars, Ulmas from both sides should preach the fair & real ISLAM to avoid any type of disunity. Also need of time is to expose such elements, who are part of problem for Muslims. Such elements are available in both communities, who have neither logic nor positive approach for ISLAM
Let me quote some Ulmas,scholars& Imams of both communities
Qaze Abn ul Arabe R.A. in Ahqam ul Quran page No 382 writes
akhtelaf mamnoh sea murad who akhtelaf hea jou fatnea teaseb our musalmanoo kea jamat mea inteshar kia mujub hou jou ikhtelaf faroye masayel mea hou tou who shreyat kea khobyou mea shamil hea
alama abu ishaq shatbe r.a.in mayafulqat series no $ in page 221 to to 222 writes
ieas sea ijtehade masayel mean ikhtelaf rakhnea waloo kea darmeyan aysea mawalat our muhbat kea wajea kia pata chal geyea jes kea rou sea who grouhu our ferque mea taqseem nehea hovea ieas kea wajea yea thea kea oun sab kea maqsad iek thea our who sab sharah kia masla moloom karna chyea thea. ies leayea mukhtalef tareeque sea eas par asar neah padsakta jeasea mukhtelef ebattoo kea zaryea kouyea rozoo kea kasrat kea zaryea our kouyea sadkat wa khearat kea zaryea allah tala kia qurab hasal karta hea.yea sab loog allah kea raza hasal karnea kea maqsad mea mutfeq hean.go eas kea waseela mea oun kea rayea muktalef hean.yeahea hall mujtahdin kia bea hea.ies wastea oun kea ajtemayet qayemrahea our mazhab haqeeqatan iek hea rahaa
at another place writes
jayeaz our barhaq ikhtelaf kea neshane yea hea kea ous sea eak dusrea kea sath adawat our bujuz paida neahe hota.agar ikhtelaf bujuz our grouh bandee paidea kirea tou samaj leajyea kea ikhtelaf itbah hou kia nateja hea itba adla kia nahea
syed afzal hayder in book walayat feqha inqelab our imam khumini r.a. in topic hazrat umer (raz t.a.) our inqelabe qayadat page no 135 to 136 writes
ustad muthare kou imam khumanea nea inqelab kea kamyabe kea bead majles shura inqelab kia sarbara muqrar keyea …….. …………ustad mutherea kea ous kalam par jis kea nateajea mea hazrat umer r.a.t bereaul zema hourehea thea.ieteraz karnea walea shakhes kou shaheed nea buhat acha jawab deyea.furmanea lagea kea yea ilzam darasal islam par lagaya jaraha hea ustad kia istadlal thea thea kea hamarea mukhalfeen darasal muslim akabreen par takreb karea our tang nazrea kia ilzam laga kar khud islam kou alme faqre tarque kea rastea kea ruqawat sabet karna chahtea hea .hamarea khush faham buzrag neahea jantea kea jis feza mean yea masayel othea jarahea hean waha islam kia sawal aijata hea .yea sada loh buzreg nehea samajtea kea agg keasea din our awean kou badnam karnea kea leayea kalame bahsoo our muntaq kea dalealoo kea bajea muhsar hatyar yea hea kea ies din kea paro karoo kia tareakh kea darea mea tamdune our tehzeebe muzaher kea sath munfea royea zaher kar deaya jayea.
here let mwe quote saying of imam khumane r.a.
merea dustoo azezo tumare tarqea our peash raft easea mea hea kea tum islame rashtea mea eak dusrea kea sath munselek houjaw.
agar tum apnea wahdat kia tahfuz karea our hamerea awaz our jaheat iek hojayea tou fer heamea kouyea cheez khofzada neahea karsaktea.
dunyea bar kea musalman apnea faqhea mealanat kea bawajood yea ahelyat rakhtea hea our islam beh ies baat kia taqaza karta hea kea islam kea parcham talea yeanea quran sunat kea plate faram par hea musalman muthed hou kar jasad wahid banea our apnea manzil kia tayean karea.yea ithad islea nehea hoga kea hum apnea apnea faqa ya maslaq kea tayber kou kherbad kahdea.yea ithad isleyea hoga kea who tamam ahdaf jou hamarea leayea qanoon ellahe nea ujagar keyea hean oun kea hasool kea lea mushtarqa koushesh kea jayea.kousheash kea barawar honea kea leayea addea bartearea kea sath sath made wasayel bhe darkar hotea hea jou itfaq sea islame dunyea mea bad darja uttum mujood hean.
In case Muslims failed to select this right path UNITY then sorry to mention this spicy truth, Muslims are themselves part of problem. And deserve this present miserable condition.
May ALLAH give all human beings chance to adopt the right path, which can ensure unity. AMEEN. Resulting prosperity& success.

ISLAM is with solution for all human beings. It is duty of all Muslims to preach the blessings of ISLAM. For this Muslims should obey orders of ALLAH to be brotherly & friendly with other human beings,to share & care,to serve humanity.But sorry to say as here in this forum, we do observe Muslims are not brotherly with Muslims but busy in discussion on minor issues with each other. Such discussions indicate disunity, which is the main reason behind downfall of Muslims.
In occupied soils like Kashmir,Afganistan,Phalistine,……. Muslims are divided in countless groups, where unity is must, resulting already divided Muslims in sets are now scattered in subsets. So even after heavy sacrifices in these occupied soils failed to achive goal.
If we go through differences between two main sets Sunney & Shiea, ALLAH, Prophet MUHAMMAD peace be upon Him,Holy book QURAN is common. There are some minor differences.But sorry to say some Immature & misguided are creating big differences. So sincere scholars, Ulmas from both sides should preach the fair & real ISLAM to avoid any type of disunity. Also need of time is to expose such elements, who are part of problem for Muslims. Such elements are available in both communities, who have neither logic nor positive approach for ISLAM
Let me quote some Ulmas,scholars& Imams of both communities
Qaze Abn ul Arabe R.A. in Ahqam ul Quran page No 382 writes
AKHTELAF MAMNOH SEA MURAD WHO AKHTELAF HEA JOU FATNEA TEASEB OUR MUSALMANOO KEA JAMAT MEA INTESHAR KIA MUJUB HOU JOU IKHTELAF FAROYE MASAYEL MEA HOU TOU WHO SHREYAT KEA KHOBYOU MEA SHAMIL HEA
Alama Abu Ishaq Shatbe R.A.in Mayafulqat series No $ in page 221 to To 222 writes
IEAS SEA IJTEHADE MASAYEL MEAN IKHTELAF RAKHNEA WALOO KEA DARMEYAN AYSEA MAWALAT OUR MUHBAT KEA WAJEA KIA PATA CHAL GEYEA JES KEA ROU SEA WHO GROUHU OUR FERQUE MEA TAQSEEM NEHEA HOVEA IEAS KEA WAJEA YEA THEA KEA OUN SAB KEA MAQSAD IEK THEA OUR WHO SAB SHARAH KIA MASLA MOLOOM KARNA CHYEA THEA. IES LEAYEA MUKHTALEF TAREEQUE SEA EAS PAR ASAR NEAH PADSAKTA JEASEA MUKHTELEF EBATTOO KEA ZARYEA KOUYEA ROZOO KEA KASRAT KEA ZARYEA OUR KOUYEA SADKAT WA KHEARAT KEA ZARYEA ALLAH TALA KIA QURAB HASAL KARTA HEA.YEA SAB LOOG ALLAH KEA RAZA HASAL KARNEA KEA MAQSAD MEA MUTFEQ HEAN.GO EAS KEA WASEELA MEA OUN KEA RAYEA MUKTALEF HEAN.YEAHEA HALL MUJTAHDIN KIA BEA HEA.IES WASTEA OUN KEA AJTEMAYET QAYEMRAHEA OUR MAZHAB HAQEEQATAN IEK HEA RAHAA
At another place writes
JAYEAZ OUR BARHAQ IKHTELAF KEA NESHANE YEA HEA KEA OUS SEA EAK DUSREA KEA SATH ADAWAT OUR BUJUZ PAIDA NEAHE HOTA.AGAR IKHTELAF BUJUZ OUR GROUH BANDEE PAIDEA KIREA TOU SAMAJ LEAJYEA KEA IKHTELAF ITBAH HOU KIA NATEJA HEA ITBA ADLA KIA NAHEA
Syed Afzal Hayder in book WALAYAT FEQHA INQELAB OUR IMAM KHUMINI R.A. in topic Hazrat Umer (Raz T.A.) OUR INQELABE QAYADAT page No 135 TO 136 writes
USTAD MUTHARE KOU IMAM KHUMANEA NEA INQELAB KEA KAMYABE KEA BEAD MAJLES SHURA INQELAB KIA SARBARA MUQRAR KEYEA …….. …………USTAD MUTHEREA KEA OUS KALAM PAR JIS KEA NATEAJEA MEA HAZRAT UMER R.A.T BEREAUL ZEMA HOUREHEA THEA.IETERAZ KARNEA WALEA SHAKHES KOU SHAHEED NEA BUHAT ACHA JAWAB DEYEA.FURMANEA LAGEA KEA YEA ILZAM DARASAL ISLAM PAR LAGAYA JARAHA HEA USTAD KIA ISTADLAL THEA THEA KEA HAMAREA MUKHALFEEN DARASAL MUSLIM AKABREEN PAR TAKREB KAREA OUR TANG NAZREA KIA ILZAM LAGA KAR KHUD ISLAM KOU ALME FAQRE TARQUE KEA RASTEA KEA RUQAWAT SABET KARNA CHAHTEA HEA .HAMAREA KHUSH FAHAM BUZRAG NEAHEA JANTEA KEA JIS FEZA MEAN YEA MASAYEL OTHEA JARAHEA HEAN WAHA ISLAM KIA SAWAL AIJATA HEA .YEA SADA LOH BUZREG NEHEA SAMAJTEA KEA AGG KEASEA DIN OUR AWEAN KOU BADNAM KARNEA KEA LEAYEA KALAME BAHSOO OUR MUNTAQ KEA DALEALOO KEA BAJEA MUHSAR HATYAR YEA HEA KEA IES DIN KEA PARO KAROO KIA TAREAKH KEA DAREA MEA TAMDUNE OUR TEHZEEBE MUZAHER KEA SATH MUNFEA ROYEA ZAHER KAR DEAYA JAYEA.
Here let mwe quote saying of Imam khumane R.A.
MEREA DUSTOO AZEZO TUMARE TARQEA OUR PEASH RAFT EASEA MEA HEA KEA TUM ISLAME RASHTEA MEA EAK DUSREA KEA SATH MUNSELEK HOUJAW.
AGAR TUM APNEA WAHDAT KIA TAHFUZ KAREA OUR HAMEREA AWAZ OUR JAHEAT IEK HOJAYEA TOU FER HEAMEA KOUYEA CHEEZ KHOFZADA NEAHEA KARSAKTEA.
DUNYEA BAR KEA MUSALMAN APNEA FAQHEA MEALANAT KEA BAWAJOOD YEA AHELYAT RAKHTEA HEA OUR ISLAM BEH IES BAAT KIA TAQAZA KARTA HEA KEA ISLAM KEA PARCHAM TALEA YEANEA QURAN SUNAT KEA PLATE FARAM PAR HEA MUSALMAN MUTHED HOU KAR JASAD WAHID BANEA OUR APNEA MANZIL KIA TAYEAN KAREA.YEA ITHAD ISLEA NEHEA HOGA KEA HUM APNEA APNEA FAQA YA MASLAQ KEA TAYBER KOU KHERBAD KAHDEA.YEA ITHAD ISLEYEA HOGA KEA WHO TAMAM AHDAF JOU HAMAREA LEAYEA QANOON ELLAHE NEA UJAGAR KEYEA HEAN OUN KEA HASOOL KEA LEA MUSHTARQA KOUSHESH KEA JAYEA.KOUSHEASH KEA BARAWAR HONEA KEA LEAYEA ADDEA BARTEAREA KEA SATH SATH MADE WASAYEL BHE DARKAR HOTEA HEA JOU ITFAQ SEA ISLAME DUNYEA MEA BAD DARJA UTTUM MUJOOD HEAN.
In case Muslims failed to select this right path UNITY then sorry to mention this spicy truth, Muslims are themselves part of problem. And deserve this present miserable condition.
May ALLAH give Muslims chance to adopt the right path, which can ensure unity. AMEEN. Resulting prosperity& success.

This Is a Style Of Dictator to solve the affairs of country.Pakistani Soldiers are Making And purchasing the weapons for their own people.There is no ability of defencing the borders of our country in Pakistan Army.Pakistani Generals And Soldiers Are the dogs of BUSH

Mullahs speak too much that Qayamat is very near as there are too many sins going on.

Mullahs are correct, Qayamat is surely near because near the day of Qayamat muslims will fight each other.

Lal Masjid is equally responsible for all the fitnah that had happened, govt is not alone to be blamed.

Lal Masjid first started this fight by declaring Jihad against their own nation.

They declared Jihad against bribe, Abusement, the luxurious life of our leaders… We as a nation need such type of jihad…against the people who r distructing pakistan by thier loot. The drama of chinese kidnapping n others were created by the government n agencies to stop this struggle.
All political parties were very far to solve this issue b/c they know that if LM struggle would get strengthen they would quit from this political sceen of pakistan which is currently using to make fool to own people.
Now we hope after LM, Chief justice would take some necessary actions on the issues highlighted by LM.

hm,,,,,kia proud kaha ka Pakistan ?hum be shak aik azad mulkk mei reh to rahe hai lakin iss k ba wajood kuch pata nahi kab kaha se bom ,,ya per koi fire kar k hamari zindgi ka hatma kar dein……sorry for pakistan …..Politecion MURDA BAD …

Mushraff should rot in jail..he is responsible for da death of several innocent muslims. His time will surely cum.

Some idiots consider these madersas as the school for abusement with childs…But u know sin n siners can be exist any where…The root cause of this problem is un-implementation of LAW n justice, illiteracy and lack of jobs…Madersaas are the best NGOs…and need some upgradation…They use to read Kalaam-eillahi, ahadees…n they are much innocents than us…See the faces of people Who blames maderssas …their faces r free from Noor and lanat n phitkar drops from their faces…u can compare their faces with madersaas people’s, childs faces from ur nacked eyes…

Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafza students and teachers are Shuhada and I have belief God Has Given the reward “JANAT”.”Ammen”. and I am really Assamed why I was not in Lal Masjid.
For remaining its really terrible becz every one know who is right and who is wrong. WE all have to gether for the sack of Islam, and InsAllah we will.
e Musharaf(KUTTA, Kafir, Salve of Americans) is wrong, he is the real terrarist in Pakistan, and who says Musaraf is right are much more Bagharat than Musaraf, becz their hearts has black cover from GOD,
InsALLAH Islam will spread through Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafiz through Pakistan and then the whole world.
Lal Masjid incident is same like KARBALA incident.
Plz every one remember Lal Masjif and Jamia Hafza’s SHUHADA in ur prayers.
This incident is undearable for any Muslim. May Allah forgive us.
Why I was not in Lal Masjid for JEHAD
JEHAD ZINDABAD. ISLAM ZINDABAD.

Khilafah is the only Solution-not Democracy…look at the definition… Democracy is the Govt. of the people, by the people and for the people…No concept of God…then how can it be Islamic???
When people say it resembles Shoora of Sahaba…they are mislead and they do the same either intentionally or unintentionally. Remember…at the time of the selection of 2nd Caliph on the event of Hajj….Hazrat Abu Bakar ra wanted to choose 2nd Caliph, but Hazrat Umar didnt like it, though he knew he was going to be selected, he said that as “there are farmers also at the time of Hajj, who are simple people who have no know how of how to run government affairs, they may select some wrong one….means he wanted only those who were specialist in running government affiars or had at least true idea of doing so…so Hazrat Abu Bakar liked his logical objection and postponed the decision for other time…

I think, it is natural too…when our baby gets sick,,we go to the Child Specialist…not the Engineer, MBAs or PhDs in othe domains…..why ? because for medical problem…going to any such person, though highly qualified, other than medical specialist is highly illogical and could lead to more complications or even death…same implies here… we ask for votes even from those who have no basic knowledge of such affairs.

a YAHOODI is better than president PERWEZ MUSHARRAF.

Musharraf – THE BASTARD

Just I say onething Jo kuch hoa sahiah nahin Hoa. Basically we describe our own Islam “We as a whole Accept those points which bebfit us and debny those which bind us to pay our duties” God knows better who is on right.

Our Nation is so innocent to know anything about her own history. Britains came here and destroyed everything of here even our minds. today we are proud to know and learn knowledge rendered through west. Has anyone thought about education before 1857 that was better than todays…
Madrassas are Face of Islam We must promote it and they are doing well. Wested minds are stupids who are against these institutions’

Before you think of saying an unkind word .. Think of someone who can’t speak …………..

Lal Masjid Photos

http://www.eyecatchypics.com/showpics.asp?Catid=16&CN=%20Pakistan

Mut’ah

“I believe in ALLAH, in His Angels, His Scriptures, His Prophets, the Day of Judgment, and in the fact that every thing good or bad (in the world) is pre-destined by ALLAH the Exalted, and in the resurrection after death.”

Belief of a Shia for Mut’ah is:

As in the days before the battle of Khaibar, Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) permitted the use of temporary marriage. Narrated Salama Bin Al-Akwa (r.a):

“In the year of Autas, ALLAH’s Messenger permitted a temporary marriage for three nights, but He prohibited it afterwards”. (Muslim)

Unfortunately the Shia’s had conveniently forgotten the part where it was forbidden and have fabricated many lies trying to justify this clear Haram act….

Narrated Ali (r.a):

1. ALLAH’s Messenger forbade the temporary marriage in the year of Khaibar. (Muslim, Bukhari)

2. At the battle of Khaibar, the Prophet forbade the temporary marriage (Mut’ah) of women, and the eating of the flesh of domestic asses. (Bukhari, Muslim, Masnad Ahmed, Nisai, Tirimzi, Ibn-e-Majah)

Narrated Rabi Bin Sabra on the authority of His father that ALLAH’s Messenger said:

“I had permitted you the temporary marriage of women, but ALLAH has prohibited you from that till the day of Resurrection. So if anyone has a woman by temporary marriage he should let her go; and do not take back any of your gifts from them”. (Muslim, Abu Daood, Nisai, Ibn-e-Majah)

Anyone with the right mind can see that temporary marriage is clearly forbidden, but again the Shia have rejected all Hadiths in this matter and still continue to follow their desires, even if it is Zina (fornication, adultery etc.). Muslims can not compare the above Hadiths with some fabricated lies from the Shia’s Hadith:

Khomeini stated in his book “Tahir-ul-Wasila”, Vol. 2, Page No. 292, “Temporary marriage can be for one day, a night, and even just a few hours!. But for Khomeini, that was not enough so he further states in the same book on Page No. 292, “Temporary marriage can be performed with harlots and prostitutes”. According to the Shia’s, lie was attributed to Prophet Muhammad ( s.a.w.w):

Muhammad said: “One who performs Mut’ah (temporary marriage) once will attain the rank of Imam Hussain, one who performs it twice will attain the rank of Imam Hassan, one who performs it thrice will attain the rank of Imam Ali and one who performs it four times will attain my rank”. (Tafseer Mihaj-ul-Siddiqeen, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 356)

This is the lowest the Shia can get when sleeping with a prostitute and get instant Paradise. However for the Shia this can never be enough… . They have still worse to come. Infact the amount of Shia references would be enough to fill a book on this subject.. as the Shia indeed try at every step to justify this forbidden act. In the same Shia book mentioned above, it is written in clear words that the number of women that a person can be engaged with in temporary marriage at the same time is unlimited. May ALLAH guide and protect us from this and all the other Shia filth that they try to enforce upon us. Any good out of this, is from ALLAH and any error in this is from ourselves and Shaitan.

I don’t know what should i say, but just wanted to tell this is all beocoz of us, we people didn’t put any step to stop this, i think we all are the partarner of Musharaf. May ALLAH keep us on right Path (Ameen)

O Allah! Forgive us, really we are burried in the mass of our sins, and its all because we are far away from Islam and Sunnah of our Beloved Prophet Hazarat Muhammad (PBUH), And Musharraf and his cabnet are responsible all of that bloodshed, and i hope inshallah they will die like a dogs death.

yeah sure Mr. Raza anytime. u tell whem to talk?

its funny how we manage to fight over different sects of religion even on this web blog. What do you expect others to do when we arent even united here? I read an article from Shahid Masood recently. Most have you must have read it. For those who didnt: http://i17.tinypic.com/6bu14if.jpg

Read it and judge for yourself how brutal the incident was. Then again if they were armed, what did Women and children have to do with it? Were do so dangerous. Or were they just spreading the word of islam, perhaps making us realise how bad things were getting…. May Allah bless their Souls. Inalillah-e-Wainnala-e-Rajeoon.

well im not in favour of both the sides neither musharraf was right nor the students of lal masjid .what ever happend at the time OF operation silence was going on was not quite which should have happen but we cant totally blame both the sides as both of them the govt and the students were palying for their own ego game. none of the both sides should a cool n calm behaviour as it as looking like a war in a very specific manner.as far as the lal masjid is concerned they were doing the right thing but in a wrong manner islam has never been preached by the way there were trying to…n whiloe on the contarary it was like a picture in which it was looking like musharaaf sb was jus trying to clean up all the mess by doing a simple thing AIM N SHOOT. it seems that after the operation was over musharaf sb was trying to hide some thing as what he did was not right ..but now its too late to cry over split milk ..let us see wht future has to offer us here in pakistan ….i dun know y ppl cant do one thing that is GEO N JEENAY DOO

Sab Tobba karo..Allah hum sab ko hidayat day ..Ameen

No blame on armi. They onley did their duety. Where was our same brave armi on 12th may when in Karachi game of blud and gun was being played? It is that armi wich can fight when ever some one chalanges the rit of government but onley in with its on people, if amarican forces hit in bajoor or in other trible areas it cann’t do any thing why?

musharaf son of a bitch and he is a hitler of pakistan follower of kamaol atta turk the bastered of turky should be hanged in my openion and soon he will dis appera from pakistan and will be killed by some mujahid inshallah

Assalamu Alaykum,

Here is a vital information regarding the issue of chemical weapons used by the Army.

Everyone knows that there are weapons known as grenades used by the army which are of various types. The Infantry belonging to the Army uses mainly three types of grenades which are,

1. Grenade No 36 (H)

2. Grenade No 75 Super

3. Grenade No 80 (WP)

Altough there are other types of grenades like Frag grenades, Energa grenade etc but it is clear that the third number grenade was used as it is clear from its name which is short form of White Phosphorous containing some elements of White Phosphorous.

There is no need to get excited by presenting to every one that “Chemical Weapons” were used just because there is a word WP used.

The clerics and those people who are strengthening their case by saying that the Army is cruel to use this grenade as it contains WP should be wise enough to khow that there are no weopons made in the world without chemicals.

There is no need to rejoice as this ordinary grenade does not include in the list of chemical weapons otherwise it would not be commonly used by infantry because chemical weapons are very dangerous to use and without proper care the one using it can also burn and die.

The clerics have done a good job in exploiting the name WP to present that banned chemical weapons were used and finally show that the Army was tyrant and the die hard Lal Masjid militants were very innocent, infact the truth is that an ordinary grenade was used.

This shows that due to the lack of information among people, the real story is different from which is being exagerated and presented in the media.

May Allah curse and ruin this Napak Army for its cruelty.

May Allah Curse General Baysharam and its napaak army. Musharraf tum per laanat ho bayshumaar….

@ Observer
@ Ather Saeed

Who knows that you two can also be Napak and cuel !!!

Who knows how much good Muslims you are to destroy the Ummah ????

Those who are aware about military rules will never blame Pak army. As army is supposed to obey orders. In case of any indiscipline army personal has to face court martial.
Any type of media trial against Pak army is crime & plan of anti Pak elements. Who want to destabilize PAKISTAN. So their target is the only one well organized organization Pak army. So policy makers of Pakistan in the interest of country should avoid to utilize Pak army against Pakistanes. Also hard liner groups should not make target Pak army. In both cases poor pakistanes are victim of terror. Commanders of both rival groups are enjoying all types of faculties with tight security. The 98% victims of Pak army, militants or civilian in Lal Masjid or streets via attacks, blasts, suicide attacks are from poor families.
Here let me open this secret real target of anti Islamic elements is Pak army. About which they have much concerns especially after atomic blasts. So need of time in the interest ISLAM & PAKISTAN is to fail the intentions of these elements. For which Policy makers of both parties should keep this fact the base of their strategy. Resulting no attack no blasts as in both cases whether motto is first Pakistan or ISLAM.As for stability of PAKISTAN, security of Pakistanees & Pak army should be priority.

Ragarding Lal Masjid,

This group is a renegade militant group called Takfiri who are quick to declare war on Muslims if they disagree with them, they think that every muslims states are basically kafir states because they are not following the principles of shariah and its justified to first declare Jihad on the muslim states.

They are ideologically anarchists and outcastes even in other Jihadi groups.

This is very dangerous and the Saudi grand mufti has also warned the muslims about such elements waging fake Jihad.

read:
http://www.geo.tv/geonews/details.asp?id=9057&param=2

Mr Ahsan i m grateful to u for ur positive responce…infact i m a bit busy these days…so cant tell u the exact time rite now…But if i can have any of your contact information we can surely talk in private INSHAALLAH…Sorry 4 late reply…

Regarding the bullshit posted above by Khalid,
For your kind information, the LM people were Deobandis. I don’t need to comment on the “Takfiri” nonsense you have alleged. Your source of information is sooo authentic (PTV3 aka GeoTV!) that it can’t get anymore authentic! Anyhow, it would be worth reminding ignorants like you that calling somebody a takfiri or kharjee means that you are basically placing him outside the fold of Islam…after alleging something like this, there can only be two consequences…either he is not a Muslim, or if he is a Muslim, you, by falsely labelling a true believer as such, place yourself outside the fold of Islam. Bachay go home and make tawhbah. As for the “Grand” (dunno where they get these titles from?) Mufti of Saudi Occupied Arabia whom you quoted less said the better…those corrupt sarkari maulvis of Saudi Occupied Arabia say what their government feeds them…they can’t even give a khutba without submitting a written copy of it in advance to their religious ministry! They are taught to label anyone who criticizes the saudi govt. a takfiri…so that the govt. can “religiously” prosecute and persecute its opponents. Guess what? These Saudi Sarkari Muftis (such as the “Grand” one you quoted) label the Mujahideen fighting Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan as Kharjees/Khawarij!Why? Because they fear that the Mujahideen will return from Iraq to teach a lesson to George Bush’s puppets ruling Saudi Arabia with the connivance of Sarkari clergy. So no need to quote those petro-dollar muftis. We know better what jihad means.

In fact the best form of jihad is to speak the truth in front of a tyrant ruler. This was Ghazi Shaheed’s legacy. He taught the hypocrite politicians of our country- particularly those who threaten “dharnaas” and “resignation from assemblies” on petty issues- how to defy these drunkard Generals and Crore Commanders, even if it means giving up your lives.

As for you liberal-fascists and neo-nazis who supported and continue to support Busharraf and his actions at LM, your day of reckoning shall come soon. Once the tribesmen in the tribal areas have finished off all the property dealers, they can be hired to get you all running for political asylum in America. Same goes for all MQM ghundaas and Shia aqleeyat (minority) which has once again shown its true munafiqana face.No wonder that the Commandant Rangers in LM operation was a katar shiya named Hussain Mashadi.

Pakistani Fauj aur iss kay commandos kee auqat lal masjid operation maeyn khul ker samnay aa gaeen. 14 Klashinkovs seh musalaha bandouwn neh 40 ghantaey amreekee aslahay seh equipped SSG ko zaleel keeya. Jab Ghalat Cause keh leeyay lartay haeyn toh faujee maut seh issee tarhaan dartay haeyn…today (Naa)pak army needs to be liberated…iss mulk aur fauj donouwn ko azaad karanay kee zaroorat haey inn secular badmash jamadaar bulldogs kee nasal kay so-called generals seh. inn sab ko jamia hafsa keh compound maeyn laa keh ultaa latkana chaheeyay.

Waeysay, by the way, Napaak fauj kay saath keya property kay badlay hakoomat chornay kee deal naheen ho saktee? I mean we will give them land in the Indian Ocean or the Arabian Sea on condition that they leave this country.

every thing is preplanned, musharraf planned a drama as bush did sep 11,in this situation president sahab totally played on the instructions of bush to make him happy to get his kursi and weapons and war planes,and bush doggy will make musharaf to use all those against his ppl.that is the real play.

army bechare ko kosne ki zaroorat nahi,woh tau bechare sipahe hain jo order ho ga high kaman ka wohi karein ge,chote chote bachon wali hain roti mil rahe hai 2 waqt ki un ke liye tau yehi kafi hai,they do understand the logics behind but cant do any thing.

army becharee?

siyasatdaan toh bechara naheen
maulvi bee bechara naheen
civil servant aur bureacract bechara naheen

yeh aeyk property dealer’s kee association (falsely called army) hee becharee hay?
waziristan aur bajaur aur karachi (may 12) aur lal masjid waloun kee chotay chotay bachay naheen? unn koh bhee 2 waqt kee routee naheen chaheeyay?

aakhir karaey kaa qaatil bhee touh rate apna lagwata haey? yeh keya keh das bara hazaar kee khaatir kaee kaee qatal kartay phirtay haeyn? Itnay sastay hired assassins aur phir bhee becharay!
strange logic.

well mr khan i havnt said ke maulvi bechara nahi na he siasatdan bechara hai aur na he beaurocrat bechara hai,every person who has power to make decesion and implement those decesions either rite or wrong bilkul bechara nahi,but ppl who suffer from those decesions like army(only those who r fighting in front line) and awam like we (offcourse lal masjid wale bhe awam mein atte hain excluding the personnels making decesion in LM) are all bechare,becoz we all see things happening but cant stop them, we only comment on them as we r now doing.

Majority of Pakistanees are worth praise
for having high moral valves. I do feel proud about sacrifices for Pakistan over these positive signs. But if truth be told patriot people have much concerns about corruption & other ills in administration & other sections of society. All sincere people should come forward to find the reason behind the corruption & other ills.
Majority of intellectuals claim the illiteracy the main reason for present Pakistan . As in charge of Iqra project Pakistan in separate meetings with late PM Meraj Khalid,justice (R) Naseem Hassan,Bushra Rehman…. on the base of sincerity encourage this free literacy project for deserving students via accepting to be board members. But late Ishfaq Ahmad in meeting refused to be board member while claiming Iqra the base of corruption in our society. Isfaq sb told me that in Pakistan literate people of high cadre are involve in looting this country from last half century. So these literate are part of problem for Pakistan , while majority illiterate people like sweepers, labors, sales man ….are with solution for this country. So it is clear that with Education Nation deserve proper guideline. Common public obey their popular leaders. So for fair guide line leaders, ulmas are the best choice. But sorry to mention there is lack of proper guideline for this fertile Nation.
If we just examine the present situation, we will see majority of popular leaders or official dignities claiming well wisher of public have not moral valves. As per religious & moral point of view only those persons can provide proper guideline to Nation, who have personally high moral valves like Quad Azam the symbol of truth, sincerity & humanity of ISLAM.
The blessing Of Allah ISLAM provide guideline in all situations. If leaders ignore teachings of ISLAM for personal or political or in any other interest, which indicate they are not sincere with their mission. As such immoral acts are with negative messages for Nation.Let me here mention popular leaders & those groups having roots in public including M.L.N. For example on 12th October while takingover Pervaz Mushraf promised Nation to set right the corrupt system,but due to capatilist system was compled to introduce some corupt ministers. Also in 2004 on T.V. announced to hold one post. Benazeer the daughter of Asian tiger, claiming always champion of democracy is busy in deal with Pervaz Mushraf. Altaf Hussain claiming champion of poor public, but his party failed to submit land reforms bill in parliament. Religious political umbrella MMA assured Nation to resign if hadood bill passed, but failed to fulfill their promise, which indicates how much religious politicians have trust on principles of ISLAM.Even MMA failed to save poor innocent students of Jamai Hafsa. The founder of Jamat Islame Islamic scholar Molana Modude alone opposite jehad Kashmir in 1947-48 only on the bases of Islamic spirit. Logic of Molana was first to cancel the agreement made with India then to fight war. One should go through his letters & reply to concerns regarding this critical verdict of Molana.. This is sign of Allah fearing people, who have one goal to obey orders of Allah only. At present there are also so many sincere fair politicians & Islamic scholars but due to lack of guideline have neither public support nor any proper media support. Resulting common public have not much impact of such fair people but the shadows of popular leaders having full support of media . Which can spoil or make the Nation.
So leaders are supposed to be fair sincere & practical. Because of leaders having positive qualities leaders like Quad Azam,…..succeed to achieve their goals. In IOK maximum leaders lost public support only because of their double standards. As common public &Mujahdeen sacrificed all for freedom but maximum leaders are after their interests in both sides, which create big gap between poor affected mass,who do suffer & tycoon leaders, who do enjoy like kings. Resulting lack of justice, unity, charity, equality & corruption.So mass movement against India deserve sincere & genious leadership.
Now the real test is for Nawaz Sharef. He has two choices
1:Back to Pakistan before the limited promised period for political interests
2:To fulfill promises & trust with guar renters. Though it will be seem not in favor of M.L.Nawaz. But this principal stand will prove fruitfull for him,M.L. & shadows of this fair stand will be good guide line for Nation as well. Let me quote preach of Islamic scholar:
No doubt now free judiciary & media has changed the mood of rulers, but Nawaz Shareef should keep in mind the well wisher guarantees who help him in miserable condition. Who do trust Nawaz Shareef sb.
In this connection let us recall the blessings of ALLAH spirit of ISLAM. Which is Khutba of Holy Islamic scholar

The subject of Trust is so important in our daily `1life: if people trust one another and if they act accordingly, they will live in peace and harmony. If we trust one another, but we do not act rightfully, we will create a state of anarchy, a state of confusion and a state of disturbance in the Allah demanded that we should fulfill our trust, and make sure that we deal with trust. It is understood that Allah Himself is the One Who fulfills His promises. He commanded us to fulfill our own promises, too. He says in Surah An-Nisa’ (The Women):
“God doth command you to render back your Trusts to those to whom they are due; …” (4:58)

Allah offered the trust to the universe, and every creation refused to assume the responsibility. The only creature who assumed such a responsibility is man. In this respect, Allah informs us about His offer of the trust to the universe in Surah Al-Ahzab (The Confederates):
“We did indeed offer the trust to the Heavens and the Earth and the mountains; but they refused to undertake it, being afraid thereof: but man undertook it; he was indeed unjust and foolish;” (33:72)

Dear Muslims:
Allah has instructed us to fulfill our pledges, our promises and our commitments. Any time we make a promise, we have to fulfill it in order to be considered among the believers is that they fulfill their covenants, their promises and their agreements. In Surah Al-Mu’minun (The Believers), Allah says the following about the good qualities of the believers:
“Those who faithfully observe their trusts and their covenants; and who strictly guard their prayers; these will be the heirs, …”

Our beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was called Al-Amin: The Trustworthy Person. He fulfilled all of his promises from his childhood until His death. He never betrayed anyone, and he never lied in His life. He was the best example of a man to mankind.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) explained to us that the following items are part of the trusts that we have to fulfill: salat, ablution, weighing, measured, deposits, private talks, advising, etc. In one Hadith, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) informed us to fulfill Amanah even if the other party is not trustworthy.
“Discharge the settlement to those who entrusted you, and don’t betray even the one who broke his promise.” Ahmad and Abu Dawood
We have been informed by our beloved Prophet (pbuh) that whoever does not fulfill his promises does not have faith and does not have religion. In one Hadith, he said:
“There is no faith for the one who has no trust, and there is no religion for the one that does not fulfill his promises.” Ahmad
In another Hadith it is reported that an advisor is to keep things in confidence.
We are informed by our beloved Prophet (pbuh) that whoever does not fulfill his commitments, pledges and promises is considered to be a hypocrite. In one Hadith, it is reported:
Narrated by Abu Huriarah (May Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (pbuh) said:
“Signs of a hypocrite are three: whenever he speaks he lies; whenever he promises, he breaks his promises; and whenever he has been entrusted, be betrays his trust; even if he fasts and prays and even if he claims he is a Muslim.” Agreed
We are advised by Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) that if someone talks to another person and he does not want his name to be released, it is considered to be an Amanah. Whoever does not keep the secret, he is a betrayer. In one Hadith it is reported that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:
“When someone hears a discussion from a person who does not want his name to be released, it is considered to be a private conversation. It is a trust and even if he did not ask to be kept private.” Ahmad
Our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) explained to us the things that help us to live an honest and a happy life. Among the few, he mentioned the following:
Reported by Abdullah Ibn Umar (May Allah be pleased with them) that the Prophet (pbuh) said:
“If you have four qualities, you should not worry about what you missed in life: To take care of the trust, to take care of the truth, to have good manners, and to have modest and pure food.”
. Whenever you promise someone try to carry out your promises perfectly and on time so as to be considered among the believers. Please do not break your agreements, your promises, your pledges and your contracts. Try to fulfill them as soon as possible and in the perfect way. Do not even delay the fulfillment of your promises. Don’t be among those who say, “tomorrow”. Tomorrow may never come. Let us work all together for the love of Allah. Let us train one another to practice the teachings of Islam. Let us fulfill our covenant and our pledge to Allah: whatever we have promised Him, we should execute our promises. By doing so, we will earn His Blessings, His Mercy and His Forgiveness.

In Surah Al-Ma’arij (The Way of Ascent) about the qualities of those who perform the regular prayers:
“…and those who respect their trusts and covenants; and those who stand firm in their testimonies; amd those who guard the sacredness of their worship; such will be the honoured ones in the Gardens of Bliss.” (70:32-35)

May Allah keep us on the straight path of Islam. May Allah guide us, help us and bless us. Ameen.

With regards
Eng Mehmood
Kashmir Study Circle
ksc687@yahoo.com

no problem u can tell when ever ur free. Contact me on my e-mail ahsan-zamir@hotmail.com
talk to u soon inshahallah. Take care Allah Hafiz.

i worked eight years with ISI and knows the secrets of them, how they work.The bad luck for us that this time we have a very bad man chief of army.Mr musharaf son in united state in boston and his one brother doctor in chicago i hope some one buned them alive as well so that he will feel the pain of those families who lost their loved ones. The ssg fought with midrissa students ha ha. shame on them. These rulers are terrorist as they are giving shelter to indian terrorist jurnail singh in lahore and other militants like gurmail like — i know many of them in lahore who killed many innocents in east punjab. now why these people are in pakistan and why innocent madrissa student were killed what happened in india with babri mosque? they detroyed and demolished one historical mosque only where no body used to pray even but in red mosque they burnt alive innocent students who belongs from poor families what is the difference between hindioos and pakistan militory rulers.i wish any body burn alive the son of musharaf.injshallah my friends believe me you will see he will go out of pakistan with very bad treatment.only wait few days my believe the people involved in this operation will be answerable in court of Allah and in supreme court of pakistan. inshallah

SOBBs are looting the nation and killing the innocent… AND IT WILL KEEP ON GOING…..

Some examples:

More than 70 % of the Karachi is in their hands ( Land Mafia consisting of SOBBs). Who is responsible for the death of people in Karachi when the illegal billboards, made to earn for SOBBs, took lives of more than 200 people!

Who was about to sell the national assets, Pakistan Steel? Who broke the country in two, killed and rapped thousands of their fellow Muslims (of the same country!) and surrendered like chickens, see the number, highest in history ever!

Who sold the nuclear secrets and made fortune out of it? And look who has been humiliated on national TV and by whom!! Nations who treat their real hoers like this are destined for extinction…

And most recent addition in their Sitara-e-Jurat, falling of Northern Bypass Bridge on innocent people!

This country is in the hands of SOBBs …and it will continue as long as we (people) let the TBRs and (RTDs), and ofcourse the Chuadries and Waderas as well continue….. they are eating our flesh, sucking our blood and chewing our bones….they are not humans, believe me they are not humans….they are sub humans.

SOBBs: Son of Bastard Bitches
TBRs: To Be Retarded
RTDs.: Retards

People of this Country

SOBBs are looting the nation and killing the innocent… AND IT WILL KEEP ON GOING…..

Some examples:

More than 70 % of the Karachi is in their hands ( Land Mafia consisting of SOBBs). Who is responsible for the death of people in Karachi when the illegal billboards, made to earn for SOBBs, took lives of more than 200 people!

Who was about to sell the national assets, Pakistan Steel? Who broke the country in two, killed and rapped thousands of their fellow Muslims (of the same country!) and surrendered like chickens, see the number, highest in history ever!

Who sold the nuclear secrets and made fortune out of it? And look who has been humiliated on national TV and by whom!! Nations who treat their real heroes like this are destined for extinction…

And most recent addition in their Sitara-e-Jurat, falling of Northern Bypass Bridge on innocent people!

This country is in the hands of SOBBs …and it will continue as long as we (people) let the TBRs and (RTDs), and ofcourse the Chuadries and Waderas as well continue….. they are eating our flesh, sucking our blood and chewing our bones….they are not humans, believe me they are not humans….they are sub humans.

SOBBs: Son of Bastard Bitches
TBRs: To Be Retarded
RTDs.: Retarded

I am telling you the time will come when the defence and army people will find shelter to save their lives n people would behind them to kill them.
We local people really dont know what army is doing from our taxes. They are basicallly swallowing and doing nothing. All defence orginizations are doing nothing. One person from defence org. met me and told that i started to think that im doing sin by eating nations money..as no one is doing any thing there. No output..

i thnk it is a both side mistake , by the govt and by the masjid management also, butt i think masjid management have tortured very badly, govt have done great mistake n so bad……

Jis nain kisi bhi sahaba say nafrat ki, onkay khilaf boghaz rakha woh munafiq hay, laanti hay, merdood hay…mind it…

Hello shia brothers plz don’t say sahaba bad. they all were great.
if u will not do so. then mind it every muslim will become soldier of SIPAH SAHABA. And there will be no space for u in this country. so plz don’t say sahab’s bad. we have got this country with efforts of great muslims not munafiqeen. so plz live peacefully either leave it.

yes these persons khan and siddique are very right i agree with these people. these people should know the truth. these people only listen their bull shit zakirs and bus. these dont think with their own minds. i have lived with these people for 5 years and listen zakirs also. these all peoples are TOPI DRAMA and nothing. if there would be any truth then why i m not convinced. May allah show them right path.

Aslam ala kum
Some controversial comments compel me to repeat my article regarding UNITY.
ISLAM is with solution for all human beings. It is duty of all Muslims to preach the blessings of ISLAM. For this Muslims should obey orders of ALLAH to be brotherly & friendly with other human beings,to share & care,to serve humanity.But sorry to say as here in this forum, we do observe Muslims are not brotherly with Muslims but busy in discussion on minor issues with each other. Such discussions indicate disunity, which is the main reason behind downfall of Muslims.
In occupied soils like Kashmir,Afganistan,Phalistine,……. Muslims are divided in countless groups, where unity is must, resulting already divided Muslims in sets are now scattered in subsets. So even after heavy sacrifices in these occupied soils failed to achive goal.
If we go through differences between two main sets Sunney & Shiea, ALLAH, Prophet MUHAMMAD peace be upon Him,Holy book QURAN is common. There are some minor differences.But sorry to say some Immature & misguided are creating big differences. So sincere scholars, Ulmas from both sides should preach the fair & real ISLAM to avoid any type of disunity. Also need of time is to expose such elements, who are part of problem for Muslims. Such elements are available in both communities, who have neither logic nor positive approach for ISLAM
Let me quote some Ulmas,scholars& Imams of both communities
Qaze Abn ul Arabe R.A. in Ahqam ul Quran page No 382 writes
AKHTELAF MAMNOH SEA MURAD WHO AKHTELAF HEA JOU FATNEA TEASEB OUR MUSALMANOO KEA JAMAT MEA INTESHAR KIA MUJUB HOU JOU IKHTELAF FAROYE MASAYEL MEA HOU TOU WHO SHREYAT KEA KHOBYOU MEA SHAMIL HEA
Alama Abu Ishaq Shatbe R.A.in Mayafulqat series No $ in page 221 to To 222 writes
IEAS SEA IJTEHADE MASAYEL MEAN IKHTELAF RAKHNEA WALOO KEA DARMEYAN AYSEA MAWALAT OUR MUHBAT KEA WAJEA KIA PATA CHAL GEYEA JES KEA ROU SEA WHO GROUHU OUR FERQUE MEA TAQSEEM NEHEA HOVEA IEAS KEA WAJEA YEA THEA KEA OUN SAB KEA MAQSAD IEK THEA OUR WHO SAB SHARAH KIA MASLA MOLOOM KARNA CHYEA THEA. IES LEAYEA MUKHTALEF TAREEQUE SEA EAS PAR ASAR NEAH PADSAKTA JEASEA MUKHTELEF EBATTOO KEA ZARYEA KOUYEA ROZOO KEA KASRAT KEA ZARYEA OUR KOUYEA SADKAT WA KHEARAT KEA ZARYEA ALLAH TALA KIA QURAB HASAL KARTA HEA.YEA SAB LOOG ALLAH KEA RAZA HASAL KARNEA KEA MAQSAD MEA MUTFEQ HEAN.GO EAS KEA WASEELA MEA OUN KEA RAYEA MUKTALEF HEAN.YEAHEA HALL MUJTAHDIN KIA BEA HEA.IES WASTEA OUN KEA AJTEMAYET QAYEMRAHEA OUR MAZHAB HAQEEQATAN IEK HEA RAHAA
At another place writes
JAYEAZ OUR BARHAQ IKHTELAF KEA NESHANE YEA HEA KEA OUS SEA EAK DUSREA KEA SATH ADAWAT OUR BUJUZ PAIDA NEAHE HOTA.AGAR IKHTELAF BUJUZ OUR GROUH BANDEE PAIDEA KIREA TOU SAMAJ LEAJYEA KEA IKHTELAF ITBAH HOU KIA NATEJA HEA ITBA ADLA KIA NAHEA
Syed Afzal Hayder in book WALAYAT FEQHA INQELAB OUR IMAM KHUMINI R.A. in topic Hazrat Umer (Raz T.A.) OUR INQELABE QAYADAT page No 135 TO 136 writes
USTAD MUTHARE KOU IMAM KHUMANEA NEA INQELAB KEA KAMYABE KEA BEAD MAJLES SHURA INQELAB KIA SARBARA MUQRAR KEYEA …….. …………USTAD MUTHEREA KEA OUS KALAM PAR JIS KEA NATEAJEA MEA HAZRAT UMER R.A.T BEREAUL ZEMA HOUREHEA THEA.IETERAZ KARNEA WALEA SHAKHES KOU SHAHEED NEA BUHAT ACHA JAWAB DEYEA.FURMANEA LAGEA KEA YEA ILZAM DARASAL ISLAM PAR LAGAYA JARAHA HEA USTAD KIA ISTADLAL THEA THEA KEA HAMAREA MUKHALFEEN DARASAL MUSLIM AKABREEN PAR TAKREB KAREA OUR TANG NAZREA KIA ILZAM LAGA KAR KHUD ISLAM KOU ALME FAQRE TARQUE KEA RASTEA KEA RUQAWAT SABET KARNA CHAHTEA HEA .HAMAREA KHUSH FAHAM BUZRAG NEAHEA JANTEA KEA JIS FEZA MEAN YEA MASAYEL OTHEA JARAHEA HEAN WAHA ISLAM KIA SAWAL AIJATA HEA .YEA SADA LOH BUZREG NEHEA SAMAJTEA KEA AGG KEASEA DIN OUR AWEAN KOU BADNAM KARNEA KEA LEAYEA KALAME BAHSOO OUR MUNTAQ KEA DALEALOO KEA BAJEA MUHSAR HATYAR YEA HEA KEA IES DIN KEA PARO KAROO KIA TAREAKH KEA DAREA MEA TAMDUNE OUR TEHZEEBE MUZAHER KEA SATH MUNFEA ROYEA ZAHER KAR DEAYA JAYEA.
Here let mwe quote saying of Imam khumane R.A.
MEREA DUSTOO AZEZO TUMARE TARQEA OUR PEASH RAFT EASEA MEA HEA KEA TUM ISLAME RASHTEA MEA EAK DUSREA KEA SATH MUNSELEK HOUJAW.
AGAR TUM APNEA WAHDAT KIA TAHFUZ KAREA OUR HAMEREA AWAZ OUR JAHEAT IEK HOJAYEA TOU FER HEAMEA KOUYEA CHEEZ KHOFZADA NEAHEA KARSAKTEA.
DUNYEA BAR KEA MUSALMAN APNEA FAQHEA MEALANAT KEA BAWAJOOD YEA AHELYAT RAKHTEA HEA OUR ISLAM BEH IES BAAT KIA TAQAZA KARTA HEA KEA ISLAM KEA PARCHAM TALEA YEANEA QURAN SUNAT KEA PLATE FARAM PAR HEA MUSALMAN MUTHED HOU KAR JASAD WAHID BANEA OUR APNEA MANZIL KIA TAYEAN KAREA.YEA ITHAD ISLEA NEHEA HOGA KEA HUM APNEA APNEA FAQA YA MASLAQ KEA TAYBER KOU KHERBAD KAHDEA.YEA ITHAD ISLEYEA HOGA KEA WHO TAMAM AHDAF JOU HAMAREA LEAYEA QANOON ELLAHE NEA UJAGAR KEYEA HEAN OUN KEA HASOOL KEA LEA MUSHTARQA KOUSHESH KEA JAYEA.KOUSHEASH KEA BARAWAR HONEA KEA LEAYEA ADDEA BARTEAREA KEA SATH SATH MADE WASAYEL BHE DARKAR HOTEA HEA JOU ITFAQ SEA ISLAME DUNYEA MEA BAD DARJA UTTUM MUJOOD HEAN.
In case Muslims failed to select this right path UNITY then sorry to mention this spicy truth, Muslims are themselves part of problem. And deserve this present miserable condition.
May ALLAH give Muslims chance to adopt the right path, which can ensure unity. AMEEN. Resulting prosperity& success.

Mr. Haider topi drama….
I know few guys converted from Sheya ..only n only because of one reason…Sheya hate to sahaba …why dont u think that sheya says bad words for our omahatol momeneen hazrat ayesha (R.A.T.A)…dont u have mind ???? she is the wife of Nabi (S.A.W.W) …plz think about ur concepts…

I am extremely against this operation. The action of army like saying that do or die never say why
Why shouldn’t say why when ation will be against innocent people. I feel shame as Pakisanti after this operation. It is no sin to do good deeds and forbid sins. Everyone shoud be first true human then true muslim.
Insaano plz Insoonoo pay raham karo

All sincere & fair people will agree with me that the base of all evils in Pakland is corruption. There are many reasons behind this evil. Main reason is the big gap between poor & rich due to present injustice system secondly people want to be billionaire within days.
Sorry to mention this open secret maximum politicians, generals, ulmas…….claiming well wisher of Nation are silent over this crime.
Plz let me know what is agenda of main political parties , high command of army, judiciary & media for elimination of this disease of society, which is base of all problems of Pakistan.
My request to all well wishers of Pakistan, plz let me know any Govt department or any major private institution free from corruption ? Can any body tell me about such department which is with solution without corruption or approach for common public in Pakistan ? But sorry to mention majority of high cadre of all sections being themselves involve directly or indirectly in corruption are silent over this unfair system. This corrupt system is the main reason behind the tragedies like collapse of by pass bridge in Karachi, ….& other evils & crimes. Also main hurdle in development & in practicing friendly public policies.
Let me expose here this spicy truth also that due to corruption of some fabricated leaders via misusing their status & relief funds is main reason of change of tone of Kashmir freedom movement. The open proof for this spicy realty is that only those unfair elements are enjoying like kings in both sides of so called LOC. While majority of affected in both sides do suffer in both sides, who have sacrifices. Which is open injustice in justice movement of Kashmir. Resulting there is also big gap between the standard of life between fair sincere freedom fighters & fabricated self desired people.
The reason behind corruption is that there neither any proper check & balance system nor agenda of official or nonofficial dignities.
Common man is victim of all types of injustice via all sides. There is neither any say nor any relief for common man. All types of facilities are for some dynasties, who have upper hand in administration as well as in society.
Let us be practical & accept these realties. For example for common man it is very much difficult even to get Rs 50,000 loan in present unfair system, while the known dynasties from last 58 years are getting big loans in billions. Let us now say truth that in all regimes policy for providing facilities & deed of amnesty for these big loans is continue.
Due to big gap in standard of Education it is very difficult for poor student to have chances of bright future. So we do observe due to this double standard of Education grip of capitalists is in civil administration & defense . As long as there is upper hand of some dynasties in all sectors & common public is asleep, we should never expect any type of relief for common man.
This common innocent Pakistanee is not only victim of official injustice but also target of cruel land lords, sardars, religious painted immature elements & sectarian anti Pakistan elements. Tragedy is that now this poor common man is not safe in streets but victim of blasts. Just getting bad News about bomb blasts of Rawalpandi, can anybody justify these anti Islamic acts.
So duty of common poor Pakistane is to expose openly all official & civil anti Pak elements, who are involve in looting & making it second Lebanon for their interests.
In any soil of the World where innocent public is victim of blasts is complete anti Islam act. So to fight against such criminals in Pakland is duty of all patriot Pakistanees.
It is duty of Ulmas, sincere political leaders, intellectuals, media & all civil society to provide proper guide line to innocent public & expose injustice system & anti Pak elements. Then any peaceful mass movement can be launched by any sincere leadership, which will ensure to full fil the dream of Quad Azam about Pakistan: which is justice, equality & accountability. Also this is spirit of ISLAM base of Pakistan. Then we can feel more proud for PAKISTAN. Are Pervez Mushraf,Benazeer, MMA or Nawaz Shareef with such fair agenda for prosperious Pakistan.
Thanks

May Allah be helpful,if Nawaz Shareef is coming with such agenda, which may fulfill the dream of Quad Azam about Pakistan .
If coming for his personal desires only may Allah guide him
AMEEN
When we all will realize our duties that day will be realy our independent day. As for last 58 years there is not any guarantee of rights.Though…regarding
DUTIES OF GOVT & NAWAZ SHAREEF

The base of Pakistan is safety of rights of human beings as per Islamic spirit. Which is possible under sincere leadership in peaceful atmosphere only. Any kind of disturbance is hurdle for progress of Nation especially tragedy for poor common public. So emphases should be given to peace. It is duty of Govt to ensure the rights of public & peace. If for peace there is volition of rights of public, that indicates the self desires of rulers. Same is case with opposition, if they are involve in any type of violence without any reason, can never be true to their claims.
For safety of rights & progress our mission should be to fullfil dreams of Quad Azam about PAKISTAN . It is our duty from head to lower to serve this Pakland as per our capacities.
In previous letter to respected Ahsan iqbal I explained some religious moral duties of Nawaz Shareef regarding promise. Thanks to Ahsan Iqbal for his short reply. This is sign of well mannered person. President Mushraf has also this positive sign. As Pervaz Mushraf responded my comments regarding Nation issue contrary to those previous rulers, who claim democrat.
All patriot have concerns regarding the Govt policy for handling the situation in Waziristan & Lal Masjid. So now Govt should handle such situations peacefully. Also we should oppose & expose those elements involve in suicide attacks & bomb blasts in pious soil of Pakistan . As all such attacks are against rules of ISLAM.
We should analyze the both sides of present Govt. And should accept the positive Kashmir policy of Pervaz Mushraf, which compel India to be defensive for the first time in last 58 years. As India though being culprit itself, in international furms was blaming Pakistan for disturbance of Kashmir . My request to journalists, well wishers of Pakistan & Kashmir is to visit IOK & get the actual voice of majority oppressed Kashmires, who are victim of atrocities for last 19 years. And collect report about Indian brutalities, disunity among leaders & public opinion. It is very easy to write, discuss or speech in drawing rooms over these unavoidable Indian atrocities during 19 years of street war but very difficult to bear these sufferings without achieving goal.
Also financial policy of present Govt is better than the previous rulers. Though fruits of this economical progress is yet far away from common poor public due to corrupt administration.
In previous letter I request Nawaz Shareef to fullfil his moral duty regarding his promise.
It is duty of Govt also to obey the SC orders, which have given permission to Nawaz Shareef to come back to home.
So It is now duty of Govt to ensure peace & rights of Nawaz shareef,his family ,partners & his supporters.
History of 12 May should not repeat. Let the MLQ fight politically with MLN. So administration should avoid all hurdles & practice the orders of supreme court. Any confrontation between these two main pillars of Pakistan can be part of problem for Pakistan in present miserable situation. So all concerned parties if serious to their claims of sincerety, should avoid such acts which will be reason for disturbance in streets of peaceful soil for Muslims of subcontinent.
Let me recall the poetry of Khalil Gibran
May be any advise for us all
MY FRIENDS AND ROAD FELLOWS,
PITY THE NATION THAT IS FULL OF BELIEFS
AND EMPTY OF RELIGION
PITY THE NATION THAT WEARS A CLOTH IT DOES NOT WEAVE,
EATS BREAD IT DOES NOT HARVEST
PITY THE NATION THAT ACCLAIMS THE BULLY AS HERO
AND THAT DEEMS THE GLITTERING CONQUEROR BOUNTIFUL
PITY THE NATION WHOSE STATESMAN IS A FOX
WHOSE PHILOSOPHER IS A JUGGLER
AND WHOSE ART IS THE ART OF PATCHING AND MIMICKING
PITY THE NATION THAT WELLCOMES
ITS NEW RULER WITH TRUMPETINGS
AND FAREWELLS HIM WITH HOOTINGS
ONLY TO WELL COME ANOTHER WITH TRUMPETINGS AGAIN
PITY THE NATION WHOSE SAGES ARE DUMB WITH YEARS
AND WHOSE STRONG MEN ARE YET IN THE CRADLE
PITY THE NATION DIVIDED INTO FRAGMENTS,
EACVH FRAGMENT DEEMING ITSELF A NATION
Waiting your guideline
THANKS
Eng Mehmood
Kashmir Study Circle

assalam-o-alaikum
i only want to say that people of lal-masjid were innocent people although their way was not that right but musharraf wouldn’t hav done that killing ur own people is not Islam.if musharraf thinks he was right then there had been many other ways but killing innocent lifes iz…………………….?iz that islam i don’t think

Sab logon ko Ramzan mubbarak

jO hUa aCha hUa………..

musaharaf is a very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very big rascal and seems to be a gay ………..And his wife fucks him rather then he fucks his wife.

musharaf should win the elections because I want him to die like a other dictators

We cannot put Blmae to Army only….

Things were wrong at Both ends…This was NOT the way to ask for shariah with Guns,hand granades etc etc…Nothing is done by Force…and Ghazi bros were doing wht they wanted to do…

Ager yeh loog sachay hi hotay tou ALLAH in ki madad kerta….But nahin hui….they were Also wrong at their end….baat sirf inti hai k Humain Army operation hamari Screens p dikha…BUT lal Masjid se operation ka We dont know…

And on the same hand Army wanted to negociate with ghazi bros But they were NOT wiling to negociate till the end….They were Given time to think and talk…this is why the time for dead line was being increased….and then this all had to happen….

There was NO other way….they were NOT willing to rescue themselves peacefully…so wht could b done then???????….This had to happen….and it did!

So lets b logical and NOT just put blame on Army only….I know dat army shudnt have done this way BUT they had no other option….they tried almost everything….

On the same hand YES i feel very sad for the loss of lives…at both ends.

hi
Guys maine sub k comments parhe samjhe or kuch bure bhi lage but instead of doing backbitting we should all pry to GOd tha may Allah Bless our country
Even i dont like musharaf too he is using his power only and forgot tht ther is a superpower(Allah) he will ask him soon for his evil actions

This is a Good start against Terrroists of PAKISTAN

100% Uneducated people support Lal mosque people.

lolzz.if musharraf wudnt hav been there u wud have beeen sufferin same as iraqiz.u ppl are so ajib.these molvi people have beeen on the pay-role of FBI and now wen the u.s wanted dem to spin wid its policies,they tripped.lolzzzz.slaves dont have options or choices,they have orders.like molviz had from the u.s for the afghan jihad.

Salam,
hahaha….lal masjid ke haq me khene waloo yeh to bataoon…YEH BURQE ME KON BHAGORA BHAGA THA . !
hnn…phele apni khatibo ke harkate detho phir unhe shaheed khao….me lal masjid walo ke points ke haq me hoon…kuch points ke..par un ke tareqe ke nahi…!!

who admi dunya me kamyab mile ga
dawa hai mera sheh ka azadar mile ga
lekin jo munharif ho shahe karbola se
who admi burqe me giriftar mile ga

i proud to be my pakistani i love my pakistan

Gor 3 months the Govt had been using peaceful methods for evacuation of Lal ( Qila ) Masjid from the ‘warriors’ who had been trying to establish ‘their’ state within the state.The Govt was being accused of taking soft posture deliberately.When the Govt did take action,it has been accused of ‘mass slaughter’.What double standards our ‘awaam’ have.
WP is used in ’smoke shells’,which were initially used to force out the occupants of ‘dug-out room-cellers’.The burnt-out of bodies & cellers was as result of dump of petrol cum explosives stored within. Burning out of WP to the devastating effwct ONLY results when its very large quantity is ignited with support of oxygen supply.
Much too much of propaganda is floating around.The captured terrorists from Lal Qila,later released on order of the deposed CJ have so far caused 10 explosions resulting in death of over 150 innocents.

THE SPIRIT OF KASHMIR SOLIDARITY DAY

KASHMIR SOLIDARITY DAY is itself message to the world about the unbreakable divine attachment of Pakistan with Kashmir & vise versa.
India is utilizing all types of brutal acts especially from last 20 years to break this deep relation.Also in past practiced financial & other faculties via its pipits,but all in vain.
Only dedicated, honest, sincere genius leadership like Quad Azam,Imam Khumani,N.Mendala,Ghanda G……. can archive goal. So real SOLIDARITY is to encourage fair,sincere, dedicated,genius leadership,
India is bigger than Pakistan in some aspects but smaller in sincerity regarding Kashmir. .For the success of movement big tactics should be practiced.So in all forums Kashmir dispute need attention. As after 9th sep. India succeed to misguide world about freedom movement of Kashmir.
THE REAL SOLIDARITY IS TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHERS PROBLEMS
Kashmire leadership should realize the problems of Pakistan & Pakistan should feel the pain of Kashmires.That is the best SOLIDARITY with each other.
There is a huge history of sacrifices of both parties for each other.
Pakistan emphases on unity of Kashmire leadership.
As Countless leaders & groups can prove harm full for future in both cases success or defeat ,Keeping in mind the disaster history of Kabul & Somalia.So first phase of SOLIDARITY is to unite Kashmire leadership under one recognized forum APHC for political mass movement for freedom.
As human activist,I am eye witness that many non muslims had sacrifices for freedom & many Muslims at the risk of their lives saved non muslims .Even in 47-48,when there was role of beasts throughout united India including in Hindu majority areas of Kashmir,Ghandi G found the light of humanity in Muslim majority areas of Kashmir. So for SOLIDARITY with Kashmires is to expose such hidden brotherhood values of Kashmires.Which can be helpful for honorable safe passage to Muslim & Pandit migrants to their soil.As majority among migrated Pandits are in miserable condition in the land of tycoons like Tata Birla.though Pandits were having much expectations with India.
ISLAM the best religion is with solution for all problems of the World.So Muslims should be able to abide by the rules of Islam for the solution of all their problems.ISLAM teaches to concentrate on fair mission rather self or group interests.
Islam also guides that for the success of any fair mission Unity,Justice,accountability,humanity,charity,relief to affected,….should be the first agenda..So SOLIDARITY is to practice these rules fully in system.
No doubt for anti Islamic cruel forces there is only one threat which is JEHAD Also Islam guides to utilize other peaceful tactics against enemy.So better option of SOLIDARITY is to utilize all fair tactics against enemy.
Govt & opposition of Pakistan should show SOLIDARITY by understanding each others opinion about Kashmir .And should frame jointly plans in the interest of Pakistan & Kashmires,who are victim of unlimited brutalities via occupied forces from centuries,which is intolerable & unbearable even for wild creatures.
.Tragedy with kashmires is that they are victim of atrocities of Indian forces, local renegades & immature forces.These forces are involve in open & hidden brutalities against Kashmires.So it is duty of fair Islamists, intellectuals,human activists,media… to show SOLIDARITY by exposing India & via opposing openly other forces without any threat & fair.
To express SOLIDARITY in drawing rooms with all faculties or by any other means is easy but to show practically SOLIDARITY is difficult .No doubt seminars,walks,speeches,world tours ….are part of movement.But to be with solution for affected families deserve priority.As.there are many affected Kashmires in both sides, who have sacrificed all for movement do suffer in both sides.Though Pakistan,Pakistanie,NGO;s.Islamic groups,….& throughout world huge relief is provided for such affected families.This injustice is main reason for lack of trust within inner circles. Who is to be blamed for such blunder & carelessness??So all friendly NGO;s should show SOLIDARITY by framing such neutral Charity,which can provide relief to all affected Kashmire Muslims & non muslims.Neighbors ,nears & dears should care the affected families & properties of ,disable,arrested & migrant freedom fighters.
As.Spicy truth is that 98% such affected fighters & migrants are living from hand to mouth.Only few are enjoying in the name of Kashmir openly throughout world,majority among those self desired tycoons don’t realize the pain of affected Kashmires? .Is there any to show SOLIDARITY by practicing check & balance for such self desired fabricated well wishers & via morally caring & sharing with deserving affected families.
For exposing open brutalities of India & other forces, well wishers of Kashmires throughout world should utilize their all efforts instead to media trial with each other
.SOLIDARITY day should be framed as mild stone for proper Kashmir policy.India officially & unofficially succeed to launch strong Kashmir policy throughout World,resulting Pakistan being on right side under UNO umber ala is comp led to be defensive.Though sacrifices of Pakistan are much than USA in war for West against Muslim hardliners . India failed to take action even against those Hindu hardliners,who were openly involve in mass killing of Muslims in Gujrat .So throughout world officially & unofficially such realties are enough for exposing India,who claimed to be big secular.
Govt should show SOLIDARITY by utilizing approach to their allies for success of peace process.
Friendly Islamic,Nationalist groups & NGO’s,whose role in Jehad Kashmir is worth to write in golden chapter,should show SOLIDARITY by utilizing all efforts to save innocent people via avoiding attacks in populated areas.
Main SOLIDARITY is to be with solution with Kashmires,not to be part of problem.
SOLIDARITY is with Kashmires not with Land.Which is main difference between India & Pakistan.India is interested with land,while Pakistan do realize the pain of Kashmires.The realization of this pain of Kashmires is behind the Pakistan proposals for solution of Kashmir .Which is the practical open SOLIDARITY of Pakistan with Kashmires.Otherwise who can deny this fact as president Mushraf also, said that unresolved Kashmir brings sufferings for India & Kashmires .So India should not miss to avail this opportunity for solution of Kashmir.If India missed this opportunity,there are much chances that India can be target of hardliners like Iraq,Afganistan ,Pakistan.resulting dreams of Indian leaders about the prosperous India can never be true,where 80% population are without basic facilities…
So India should respond positively the peace plan of Pakistan.Which can prove itself fruitful for poor India. .It Is useless to mingle peace with war.Either war or peace.

Eng Mehmood
(Kashmir Study circle)

Khuda K liye yeh waqt in sub batoon ka nahi hay ab is topic ko chor do or Shaeedon k mission ko paya-etakmeel tak ponchna hay bus buhat baatian kar lee hain ab KAAM bhi karna hay or is mulk ko Khalis Islami mulk bana hay

Musharraf is a bastard and paid dog of america.

Musharraf is son of dancer according to his own book “In The Line Of Fire”. Sons of danceres always like Musharaf. Muhammad Bin Qasim and Salah-u-Deen Ayubi never born in Dancer’s home but people like Musharraf born in Dancer’s home.

kill mussaraf he is yazeed i always go to lal masjid iam student of apara near lalmasjid i love mujahideens

1 baat mein clear kardon ke maulana ko bhagnay ka musvara ijazulhaq ne diya tha ke ap bahir ayien aap ya aap ke bhai gazi shaheed takey tahreek kamzor na par jayeh aalah ne mulana abdul aziz ko bachan tha agar un ka kasoor hota tu aaj pakistan muslim leaque sujjat ,shekh rasheed maulana ke pass na attay mafi mangne ke liyeh agar koi aur question ho to lal masjid ka baray mein aur jo log kehtay hain key un ke kuch pionts thekh thay kuch galat tu call karien mujhey mein answer don ga

majid illegal kis tarah hai masjid leagel the aur jamai hafza maulana sahab ne khud kaha tha ke islami nizam ka governoment elan kar de mein pervez mussaraf ke jotay uthanay ko tayar hon jamai hafza bhi garanay ko tayar hon phir islami nizam govt kyoun nehin latey sath islamabad mein 90 mosque ko notice diya 1 masjid tu 100 years purani hai us ko bhi garaya diya 7 majid shaheed kardein gain kyoun aakhir 1 church bhi gara kar patao goverment walo phir dekhtay hain kya ho ta hai

The macasar in Lal masjid and Jamia Hafsa was the worst crime of Na-Pak army and Na-Pak people of pakistan.

i will remember this great treagedy of innocant muslim girls burnt alive in Masjid till my last breath.

my hate with Pervaiz will never die.

Nothing like this happened in lal masgid it was a cancer and had to be eleminated and were given six months to mend their ways and teach kids instead of making them recite and rebel against their country.

This is all indian propoganda to incite hate for the army in general and mushraf in particular so that pakistan finally gets declated a terrorist state.

The MNA responsible for Capital territory nayyer bukhari where was he during all this episode sitting in london drinking with nawaz and shahbaz and hoping such a thing would happen and then maybe they cann exploiting the situation.

It was the the zind of one thrid rate maulvi that he rished the lives of 160 million people jsut to fulfill his kuteee zind shame on him and shame on mushraf as well that he did not eliminate these kuteeas back in 2006 and showed patience

@Omer

“…they have hearts and YET they do not understand, (similarly) they have eyes YET they do not see, (and similarly) they have ears and YET they do not hear, THEY ARE JUST LIKE CATTLE! OR RATHER MORE MISGUIDED!”
– (Al Quran)

This is the state of 98% of our population in particular and Muslims around the globe in general.

The Chiristian/Zionist/Jewish elite which now rules the world from London, Washigton and Jerusalem put a trap for our Army (similar to the trap in which Saddam Hosein walked in 10 17 years ago back in 1991) and so this time round it was our army which failed to realize that we have been DRAGGED INTO CIVIL WAR BY SUPPORTING OUR COLLECTIVE ENEMIES AGAINST ISLAMIC AFGHANISTAN.

Is this not what it is? Civil War.

As for Lal masjid, I have documentary evidence that CHEMICAL WEAPONS WERE BEING USED.

Please wake up! We have been faced by unprecedented circumstances while our masses and so do their rulers live in a fool’s paradise!

“Oh you who have faith (n Allah Most High) do not take (such) Jews and Christians as your friends and allies who themselves are friends and allies of each other. And whoever amongst you turns to them (with friendship and as an ally) becomes, verily, one of them. Surely Allah does not guide those who commit acts of Dhulm (injustice, oppression, wickedness).”
(Qur’ān, al-Māidah, 5:49)

Dear Salman,

good allof these apply to Maulana sahibaan as well.

If you call mushraf as a munifiq these cancerous mullahs are equally responsible they were no saints as well.

for me its pakistan my islam relies on the well being of pakistan not afghanistan or any other school of thought.

We better preach the same to the people sitting in the Holy kabah to stop and shut amrican bases inside saudi and qatar UAE oman and kuwait.

once that is done please applly all these ayats to muslims living in pakistan.

Dear Salman,

There were no chemical weapons used inside the mosque.

and how come the students of a madras got the fire power to burn a whole ministry of the pakistani government adjacent to it wernt petrol bombs used in that and who used it was it the rangers or our simple police or the madrassah students themselves.

Muhammad Taqi – Ghazi Paleet – haider
JESA LAL MASJID KE BAWAZO MUSLIMS BHAI – BEHAN – CHILDS KE SATH KIA GIA – YE MEREY DIL SEY DUA HAI KE SIRF FIFTY PERCENT AP LOGO KE SATH AUR APKI FAMILY KE SATH KIA GAI – PIR AP APNEY COMMENTS DEY -

AUR HAR DOOR MEY AACHAI KE HAMESHA BURAI LAGI HOTI HAI – JAHA FARISTHEY HOTEH HAI WAHA SHEETAN ZAROOR HOTA HAI – AJ KE DOOR KE SHEETAN SHIA KE SHAKAL ME HAI JU KE MUSLIMS LOGO KE SATH LAGEY HAI. AUR MUSLIMS KA NAM USED KARTEH HAI – MUSLIMS KE TARAH BANNTEH HAI – JIN PIYARO LOGO KO AP S.A.W NE PASAND FARMAYA IN MUBARAK LOGO KO APNEY SATH RAKA – IN KE TAHALUQ SEY KUCH BOLNA TU DOOR KI BATH SOCHNA BHI GUNNA AUR AIMAN SEY DOORI KE BATH HAI. WHO TAMAM MUHABAT BREY LOG JO KE AP S.A.W. KO PASAND THEY – WHO SUB LOG HAMAREY LIYA AUR SARI DUNIYA AUR AKIRAT KE LIYA ZINDAGI AUR JAN SEY AZIZ AUR QABIL ITEHRAM HAI.

JANAB HAZRAT ALI R.A.T.A. AP S.A.W. KE PIYARE SATHI AUR DAMAD THEY – HAZRAT ALI R.A.T.A. PAR YE ALLAH AUR ALLAH KE PIYARA RASOOL-AAKIR AP S.A.W KA KARAM AUR INNIYAT THI – AUR AAJ TAK ISSI WAJA SEY PEECHANEY AUR MANNEY JETEH HAI.

arij –

kuttey jab terey bachey issi tara inshallah marey jai geh CHEMICAL WEAPON SEY AUR TU INKO PEECHAN BI NAHI SAKEH – aisey hi kissi yazeed ke hath sey tu zaroor bolna JO HUA AACHA HUA.

ALL MUSLIMS

PLEASE DROOD SHARIF AUR SURAIH FATIHA PAR KAR AP S.A.W. KE KIDDMAT ME HAZIR KREY PIR AP S.A.W AUR PUNTHAN PAK KEY SADKEH SEY IN LAL MASJID KE LOGO KE PASS BIJ WAO PLEASE

Musharaf behenchod
ghasti ka bacha
randi ka bacha
uss ki maa ko lund maron
uss k pooray khandon ko chowk mai khara kar k choodo doon

assalam-o-alikum to all Muslims

In the name of Allah the most merciful and benificient.

First of all i condemned the Lal Masjid incident , according to my opinion Ghazi abdul Rashid and Government both are responsible for this cruel event. Government should restraint in attacking the mosque and Ghazi should not support the external exterimists so called muslims. The result of which is in the killing of hundereds of innocent childrens womens and also the pakistani Soldiers. Musharraf is no doubt the american agent and indian tatoo as he is also a member of MQM.

Being a Shia Muslim, i want to tell all my sunni muslim brothers that Shia are true muslims and believe in the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as the last Prophet. Shia Believe in Tauheed, Muhammad (PBUH) as the last Prophet and Quran just like other Muslims. Shia is a muslik not a seprate religion. So i must bluntly convey the truth to the so called contractors of Islam (who call shia as non muslim without any proof). Have you ever talked to any shia, have you ever investigated yourself, what type of muslims you are when there is a hadith whose mafoom is that ” kai jab tak app kisi baat ki tehqiq na kar lo , agay kisi sai beyan na karo”. agar app aesa kartay ho tu yeh Bhutaan hai, aur bhutaan ki Islam mein kai saza hai, yeh bhi zara parh lenay kai taqleef kar lijiye.

Shia are the true muslims, the hizbullah (defeated the Isreal) and Iran (Standing in front of America) defending the muslims world, not like muslims of Al-qaida who killed hundred of innocent muslim childerns, women and muslim brothers and conveyed to the world that islam is a religion of terroism.

Al-qaida is doing the sucidal attacks, while Islam has declared the sucide as Haram.

there is a hadith , jis ka mafoom kuch youn hai kai ” Rasoolah kudah(PBUH) nai jis cheez ko haram karar dia woh kymat tak haram hai, aur jiz cheez ko halal karar dia woh kymat tak halal hai”

Iss ziman mein aik Sunni Alam din ka beyan karda wakiya pesh hai

“Aik dafa aik gazwa mein gumsan ki jang ho rahi thi, aik sahbihe Rasool bohat bar char kar apni bahduri kai johar dikha rahay thai, doran nai jang woh zakmoun sai choor ho gai, aur takleef na qabil bardast ho gai. Jang kai ikhtam par jab lashoun ko akta kia gaya tu bohat sb log kah rahay they kai yeh shabi tu sedhay jannat mein jain gai, Magar Rasool kuda nai farmaya kai nai, yeh sedhay Jahnam mein jain gai kyoun kai jab yeh zakmoun ki taab na la sakay tu inhoun nai kud apni hi talwaar sai kudkhusi kar li”

lihaza haram muat par agar Shabi Rasool Janat mein nai jaa saktay tu yeh mulla kia kisi ko jannat mein leja saktay hain, aur woh bhi paper par jannat ki ticket lik kar masoom logoun ko gumrah kar kai.

Tu phir meray muslam bahio , osma agar sucide ko halal karnay ka fatwa deta hai tu humain kis ki peari karni chahiye, Jab Roz kymat Hazoor hum sai pochain gai tu hum kia khain gai kai hum tu Hazrat Osma ki pervi kartay thay.

Aur Roaz kymat app sai yeh sawal ho ga kai app shia ko kafir aur ghair muslim karar detay they, tu app kahain gai kai janab humain tu maluvi sab nai bataya tha?

this true all is happening in musharaf ’s time.but musharaf is not responsible for all that.i just want to told you that musharaf is the best sadar of our pakistan.he is the great leader of pakistan,i appriciat him for all his past decitions.i like musharaf and i love General pervais Musharaf.
Thanks
Wsalam

CONSPIRACY BEHIND HIGH OIL PRICES & KASHMIR DISPUTE

Like many underdeveloped countries Indo-Pak ,have also energy & food crises, so UN is going to recheck their policies related to these crises. So under such miserable circumstances, both poor countries Indo-Pak emphases on energy resources & trade with other bilateral issues during present peace process, keeping aside technically the main issue of Kashmir .
Both countries, without creating confidence & peaceful atmosphere, can’t achieve their targets. Which is possible only when they will give priority to Kashmir issue.
In present selfish world lords , development was possible only ,after they create 1st peaceful atmosphere within & surrounding their boundaries.
Without energy sources it is impossible for these lords to maintain their progress, so they planned to create disputes in source full regions of the World, Phalastine ,Kashmir ….ETC.& so many crises within boundaries of both poor countries, are part of their naked economical aggression. Resulting succeed to grip the World economics.
So the policy makers of India should realize these ill plans & respond positively the peace process for solving 60 year old Kashmir issue, for peace in this region. If India failed to avail the opportunity of bold steps for peace by Pakistan , In near future energy & food crises can prove unbearable for 2nd huge populated country, India than to Pakistan .
The victim of such cruel game of World lords, in this region, are poor Kashmires. Where Indian & pipit forces are involve in all types of brutalities continuously from last twenty years against Kashmires. Such long period of sufferings, is itself a question mark for all those clamming well wisher of Muslims & champion of secularism, in their drawing rooms with all facilities. Recently exposure of hidden grave yards are one more slap on Indian democracy & their AHANSA belief.
So political leadership of Kashmir, in present curtail period should unite under one recognized platform APHC, with one agenda, as also advised by Qaze Hussain, for mass movement against Indian occupation, which can built moral pressure on India & World.
Qaze Sb should utilize his influence & efforts over Kashmire leadership for unity, the spirit of Islam, which movement has Islamic base.
Present high oil prices & creating hurdles in Pak-India-Iran joint gas pipe line plan, are also part of their economic conspiracy.
Oil prices have been hiked up artificially, so that all the world may cry due to high oil prices. Then pressure would be developed on OPEC, for blaming OPEC responsible for high prices. Resulting there may be demand of USA on OPEC to increase production, that is not possible as much as USA wants.
Then the next step will be to create legal complications to acquire the Oil resources using United Nations. USA will say that OPEC has failed to produce enough resources for the world and world is crying. Give it to USA to install enough resources to meet the demand of the world.
Thus, Oil resources will officially go into hands of USA .
Also throughout World there are so many companies facilitating trading via net. Many investing companies of the World & persons on their indusial capacity, involve in this business, prefer USA based companies because of their honesty & strict & fair banking rules.
Common people are not aware about this surprising fact, that single small such trading company of USA, earns equaling to five year budget of Pakistan & big such company, near to Indian five year plan, per day. It can be indigestible for majority, but after getting training in such business, being one among clients in past, have practical observations & experience about this business.
Already it was assumption of analyses of experts of this business, when oil per gallon was at 50 $, that it can’t raise beyond 100$, so for trapping sellers at 100$, oil rates, which are actually New yark based rates, are increasing for uncountable profit for USA.
So sooner or later, after achieving targets by USA , there are chances of sudden fall in oil prices.
But these present selfish lords should remember the Divine reaction, which is based on Justice, with X lords, Aryans, Buddhists, Brahmans, Christians, Persian, Muslims, Uk,Russia, …..when they adopt cruel & inhuman policies.
So India & Pakistan, if not in the interest of oppressed Kashmires, but for their majority of population , who are without basic facilities, only after the solution of Kashmir issue, can concentrate properly on energy , food crises & other problems. And can divert their huge defense budget for the progress & prosperity.
Eng.Mehmood
Kashmir Study Circle
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Published articles, comments, letters in leading local & international News papers, magazines & webs are open proof of its claim.
Charity details are safe in official record & open for those who believe the best religion ISLAM,if practiced ensures success for all human beings, here & there with base: Humanity, peace, honesty, sincerity, sacrifice, hard work, simplicity……….& charity, not materialism.
Which materialism, is reason behind downfall & crimes through out World.
Every time waiting for your guide line & prays, which we deserve.
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We are following america and helping him in killing muslims. We should not help america in killing muslims. we should take a principle stand and we should convince all world that america is not doing right.

In current situation, mujahideen are not happy with govt of pakistan. Govt of pakistan has a very controvercial position. Pak army and america has killed a lot of innocent children and people in pakistan. This also caused high anger in their relatives. Such angry people can be missused by any american, israaelee, indian or pakistani agency. Sucide bombing in pakistan is not agendaa of mujahideen. But this is due to wrong policies of Govt of Pakistan. Govt is giving full chance to anti pakistan elements to destroy the peace of pakistan.

It is my opinion that when some body wants to kill my family members than it is very shameful to help him in killing my father, mother, brother and sisters etc. But Pakistan is doing the same thing by helping america. I think death is better than such life. so pakistan should raise the flag of humanity and moral values and should not follow america.

1. Lal masjid people were not criminal because they worked for betterment of society of pakistan. They worked against prosecution and other big evils. This is totally wrong information that they ever destoyed CDs shops. Lal masjid people actually wanted that they should be no evil things in islamabad which are dangerous for society.

2. I want to make on thing clear that they were not targetting people on ideological basis. They were not having any negative agendaa against liberal or secular people. Please don’t be impressed by wrong information of govt agencies. They were 100% pure muslims but having a stiff and weak planning against evil things. Due to their weakness on the media side, Govt succeeded in proving them controvercial and targetted them in a very brutal way.

3. Although Lal masjid people were following unbalanced approach, which was not successful in current world but they were true lovers of islam. Due to their commitment with islam, more than two thousand men and women accepted death but didn’t left molana ghazi.

It is my request that if some body thinks that i am not on right track. Please give clarification against these three points.

Regards

Please don’t shape ur thinking or don’t write without facts.

I want to clear one thing that Lal masjid people were not actually interested in power. Fact is that they requested the govt that big evils should be finished from islamabad. But govt didn’t took action against evils. So they took action against evils on their own. If govt is not able to take action against evils and lal masjid can take action against evils than they may be given government, because of their commitment to society. What is wrong with this? I already informed that they were not having any violent, extreme or negaitve agenda against liberal or secular people. If some body uses his powers for reducing evils than he has right to increase his power and he should go forward. Then it depends on planning and strategy that what success will be achieved. Lal masjid people were weak in this area, so they were not successful. But we can’t say them wrong on the basis if they failed to get immediate success.

I already told that this is wrong information that lal masjid people damaged property or shops of any body. It is still not proved from reliable sources. Lal masjid were having a clear agenda and they accepted all steps which they taken against prosecution but they never accepted the blame of destroying business of any body. So this is illogical to say that they destroyed shops or attacked common man. Please follow the proved facts.

I want to explain again that they targetted only Prostitution. They never targetted common man. If u think that Prostitution is good and it is not damaging for society than you have right to say any thing

operation in lal masjid was illigal.
why the human rights commission dont taking the appropriate action against it?
tell me !

saqib rauf u r talking all the trash ,lal masjid people were kidnapng innocent people they were burning shops and media telecasted all that and govt almost gave them 7 months to just leave these practices but they did not do that ,hat resulted in their destruction u people only see things that u like and u donot the history of the event and ancestoral history of mulla ghazi

we have joined force of enemies of islam, as alies of US forces we have killed our muslims brothers and sisters now this is pay back time. We should pray to ALLAH for giveness of our sins, we can only grow and glow by following the path of ALLAH, Quran and Sunah is the only way out of this dark age on muslims. Brothers and sisters we must seek Tauba from Rab Zuljilal. ALLAH is raheem, kareem. We muslims are not terrorist , extreemist . People who are commiting sucide bombing and killing innocent people are not helping islam but putting wrong impact. Islam is religon of peace and harmony. We must follow the right path. ALLAH Subhan Wa Taala hamain sirat e mustaqeem per chalaien. Ameen aur hamain dendar hukmran ata farmaien . Ameen. We must not make yahood o nasara our friends , they are not our friends. We must spread love, brotherhood , justice to servive in the world . Muslims must be united as we muslims are brothers and sisters of each other. It is our duty to give dawat e islam to all umat e Muhammad Sallah o Alaihe Wasalim. All humans are sons and daughters of Hazrat Adam E.I. We must bring our lives to islam and invite all to become a part of followers of ALLAH. ALLAH has kept success only in his complete deen. Pls pls think.

Musharaf is not a good man…

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Hakomat k nashy my mast mushrraf ny jis zulam our barbabiyat ka muzahira kia puray insani tarikh my is ki misal nh milti.Amrica ki khushnodi k ly apny logo ko zinda jala kr mushraf ny ya sabit kia k wo insan nh daranda hy.

ALLAH is raheem, kareem. We muslims are not terrorist , extreemist . People who are commiting sucide bombing and killing innocent people are not helping islam but putting wrong impact. Islam is religon of peace and harmony. We must follow the right path. ALLAH Subhan Wa Taala hamain sirat e mustaqeem per chalaien. Ameen aur hamain dendar hukmran ata farmaien . Ameen. We must not make yahood o nasara our friends , they are not our friends. We must spread love, brotherhood , justice to servive in the world .

CHEMICAL WEAPONS WERE NOT USED IN THE OPERATION.

WHITE PHOSPHOROUS (WP) IS A SMOKE GRENADE, NOT A CHEMICAL WEAPON.

http://www.pakistanthinktank.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=242

SMOKE DISCHARGE/GRENADE WP P3 MK1

http://www.pof.gov.pk/products/smokewpp3mk1.htm

Salam Mohamed Asif Sahab,

Aafreen hai aap ki use ki hui language per. Besdies that topic, Kia yehi seekha hai aap ne Islam se aaj tak k Allah ,Rasool(pbuh) aur Aal-e-Rasool(a.s) aur Quran k manuny walon per Laan’nat ki jae? Dosron ki baat chorye, kia aap ka yeh attitude Islam k according hai?
Allah’o'Akbar!!!

we are muslems we must be unit we have to strugle to learn and achieve our goals wich are deffeat all who’s tring to eliminate us . it’s a great pity that we kill our brothers in that

way

we are muslems we must be unit we have to strugle to learn and achieve our goals wich are deffeat all who’s tring to eliminate us . it’s a great pity that we kill our brothers in that way

It’s a tragedy how people kill each other in the name of politics, in the name of religion. Most people want peace, to raise a family in a kind and loving world. Who do we think we are killing people who seem different than us. All people must unite, all countries, all religions. Stop the hate, learn to love each other, what a sad world we live in.

why this happend for that just read “Lal qila say lal musjid tuk” its in urdu and u can find a .PDF file of this book on net. thanks

my name is maxamed wat contry is dead plays i am very sory bat i speak english very bad english sorry

what we have done only holding remot control chaging channls whtat is our punishment and for AFIA SAADIQI

so stupid american not think about live fuck amirican

so stupid american not think about live fuck amirican

Pakistani nation is still lacking the vision and thinking capability to realise the problems of pakistan and solution of these problems. Islam and pakistan can’t be saved by hipocracy. We need leadership who has the courage to speak truth. We don’t need hypocrates like Nawazsharif and zardari.

Raza u think that aunti shameem was innocent??? and prositutes of masage center were innocent??? Is it justified to kill 3000 thousand young boys and girls who were sincere and loyal to islam without any reason???

There was no innocent killed in lal masjid, if you think they were innocent then go to Hell for being what-ever-kind of muslim

Yes this all of Musharaf

so sad ,allasha kuttay ki moot day musharaf ki jis nay masoom or bagunah bachoo ki janay li,

so Allah Pak kuttay ki moot day musharaf ki jis nay masoom or bagunah bachoo ki janay li,

dear guys,
ASALAM O ALIKUM
WHY U GUYS BLAMING PAK ARMY. BLAME THOSE PERSONS WHO ORDER THEM… TELL ME ONTHING AJ MUSHARAF APNI SEAT PER NAHI HAI BUT AJBHI SAWAT OR PAKISTAN KAY DOSRA ARAE MAIN LOG MAR RAHA HA BALKA MARAH JAH RAHA HAI KYUN KAY AMERICA CHATA HAI OR AYAH DIN DRONE ATTACKS HOTA HAI …. YAH SUBH HUMARI GHALATI HAI KAY HUM NET PER BARA BARA NOTE OR LETTER CHAP DAITA HAIN BUT KBHI APNI A.C CAR SAY YAH APNI A.C ROOM SAY NIKAL KAR ROAD PER NHI AHTA HAI IN KUTTA KAMEENA LEADER KALIAH…. AJ KAL RAMZAN CHAL RAHA HAIN SHB CHEEZO KAY RATE ASMAN PER HAIN KAL 18 LADIES RASHAN LAITA HUA MARGAIN JUST BCZ OF US KYUN KAY AGAR EK FRUIT WALA OR VEGITABLE WALA PRICE INCREASE KARKA KUCH SALE KARTA HAI TO HUMARI PUBLIC MAIN ITHI HIMAT NAHI HOTI KAY WOH USKA SIR PHAR DAI OR HUM ALREADY CORRUPT LOGO KO AGAIN ELECT KARKA SEAT PER BETHA DAITA HAIN TELL ME PPP KO HUKUMAT MAIN 1 SAAL HOGIA KOI AISA KAM JO MULUK KALIAH YAH AWAM KALIAH KIA GAYAH ROTI KAPRA OR MAKAN KA NAHRA LAGA KA AHNA WALA LOG AJ HUMARA SADDAR -E- PAKISTAN KAHTA HAI HAI MENGAI SA MERA KOI TALUK NAHI HAI AGAR AJ PUBLIC POWERFULL HOTI TO NAH LAL MASJID KA WAKIA HOTA NAH SWAT MAIN OPERATION CHAL RAHA HOTA NAH YAH LADIES MARI JAHTI OR NAH HUM MANGAI MANGAI KA NARA LAGA RAHA HOTA

NO ONE CAN NOT RULE ANY COUNTRY WITHOUT VICTAMISE THE PEOPLE AND NO RULER CAN’T BEAR STATE INSIDE STATE.

AMRICA NOT OUR ENEMY WE R THE EMEMY OF OURSELF.

Great Asad i am 100 persent agree with you, we should’nt blaming on others ,, we should concentrate our defaulter. akhir kab tak hum apni khalti ko theak karny ka bajia ,,, kabi india , kabi amrica , kabi afghnistan , israil ,, par blam kartay rahay gay .. kamzori hum mai hai … our ya humari kumzoryon ka fida uthata rahi hain. or dears Khuda kahar hai. wo kehar zoror barsay ga . un par jis nay zulm keya ..

pakistanio ki maa ki chut mai suar ka lund

my brother Cap Ali ALLAH app ko apni hefazat ma rakha

Lal Masjid main jo bhi Hua wo sab Ghalat Hua hai so please uski Taraf dari Mat karo ok all of those People who Speak on this Topic

Sab Indian Walo ki maa Ki Chooooot